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Rich Rice
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More from the 'We refuse to  own it.' Ownership Society...



http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=1840 86



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See, you can teach an old dog old tricks.

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Having a candidate you can really identify with is quite difficult. One will never be satisfy 100% with the decisions his candidate will take.

When I had to vote for the last Presidential election, I read carefully what they proposed, knowing that a big shunk of the proposals may not made it for various reasons. So at the end, I voted ( for the first round ) for the one who was closest to my interests ( a strong one was the free scholarship for overseas French kids  ) then , when he wasn't elected, I voted for the one ( second round ) I thought and still think would do a great job. The thing is the first one is from one side ( Left center ),  kinda the Democrats for you if I try to simplify. And the second one is from the right, a republican ( again to simplify ).

I didn't vote for the socialist candidate who was at the second round because her records were crap. She was the kind of person who proved in the past that she will work very hard to be at a place, and when there would do nothing ( a little bit like what happened to Jacques Chirac, former President on his second mandate ). I have no problem with a Female French President, but I don't elect someone because of the gender or the skin, I vote for someone who I think will do a good job for the country and its citizens.

So when I read in a precedent post that some people will vote for a candidate because her daughter is hot or just because she is a woman, well, I understand why a lot of things are wrong in your country.

And in the current situation, I really cannot see how people can think that Mc Cain is going to solve the problems after 8 years of Republicans in the White House and all the screw-up from GWB.

At the opposite, I would really give a chance to Obama. He may have less experience, but he is young and can probably learn very fast how to handle potential troubles, because force is not always the best solution to a problem.

Good Luck to the World !



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I know what I don't want.

I don't Christian Conservatives stacking the deck of the Supreme Court.
I don't want to stay in Iraq another month, let alone 10, let alone indefinitely.
I don't want Gitmo to remain open for another day, let alone a month.
I don't want Signing Statements, or enhanced powers to the office of the President.
I don't want the Justice Dept. owned by any one party or ideology. Just the Constitution thank you very much.
I don't want politicians to put there hands on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.
I don't want our liberties watered down in the name of safety.

If I get only the above, I will be a happy camper. I will even trade a bit of oil drilling, ownership society, yada yada to get there. (NO political side should get everything they want. In spite of the magic that has been Karl Rove.) We are a divided, diverse people and laws should reflect that diversity. No one gets everything and everyone gets something. The well being of all, a universal good.

Beyond the above, I do hope -if it is Democrats- that they aren't STUPID. Unlike the 'we refuse to own it' ownership society', I would not be able to sleep nights if I did something bad or stupid. I could not construct rationalizations or do mental gymnastics. Now in my mind, the tax stimulus was just STUPID. I refuse to sit still if my party were to run the ship aground.

Do people get what's promised at the conventions? Very rarely. But the one thing we do get is the world moves again and again into another day. And there's the business of dealing with whatever comes up during that day. That's the part we're really paying them for: Simply running the machine from day to day.
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Daniel, in the interest of accuracy in History, you are correct to mention the shifting tide of support for Racial equality. Although it is a bit more complex than what you describe. Unlike the monolithic parties of today, the parties were more divided in that era. There was a strong anti-black constituency in the Democratic Party, particularly in the south. But not so in the North. Chicago, Boston for example were always Democratic strong holds and blacks there identified as Dems. Probably as it was the only way to get something from the 'machines.' There was a black middle class of sorts in urban areas. The actions of John Kennedy had more to do with trying not to tip the status quo. The actions of Lydon Johnson drove them to the Republican side. -What was that quote, "LBJ gave the south to the Republicans for the next 10 years." ???

Turned out to be a leeeeeetle bit longer than that.

Still, by the late fifties, early sixties African Americans mostly identified as Democratic in large urban areas. With Robert Kennedy being the great shinning knight. I should know more of that history but I was a child at the time just figuring out the world. I did witness the riots. An actual tank rolling down my street! Odd, I was more excited by that than the implications of what was going down. I was on the ground floor to witness the transformation of neighborhoods. I
know what institutionalized poverty is, white flight, riots, economic collapse, the rise of the black power movement that quickly became a gang society. The escape of many into The introduction of drugs and what things are now.

At the time I hated my youth but it has given me such a rich perspective, I wouldn't change a thing. It made me into the opinionated prick I am today. :-)


Obama! 08! Woooooooooo.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And not to trivialize, but I was on the ground floor for the Marvel Age of Comics.
Definitely wouldn't change a thing. That was Rockin' sweet.
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"John Bush is very much his own man"
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...weiner rmitten... that's funny!
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How can you argue with this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5Eo9OMSgU

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Oops.
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How can you argue with this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5Eo9OMSgU

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I could be wrong, but it seems like there's someone in the crowd repeatedly distracting him. His mic doesn't pick it up, but he says 'hold on, I can't hear myself.' Or someone is telling him something in an ear-piece or it's picking up some static? Or he's forgotten his lines.

 



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Daniel you forgot President Kennedy's Voter Education Project and CORE , The Congress of Racial Equality, those students that were involved in that, were mostly democrats. The 3 civil rights workers that were killed were CORE members. You leave out a lot in your historical reporting. You attribute personal racism, with the times that those men grew up.

Interesting article:

Negotiations for the meeting [between King and] Kennedy had been going on for weeks, with one complication after another. King had a larger personal following than any other Negro leader and could reach the mass of Negro voters as no one else then could. ("Black" was not yet the acceptable term.)

We in the Civil Rights Section of the [Kennedy] campaign wanted somehow to demonstrate Kennedy's support for King and King's respect for Kennedy, and thought a well-publicized meeting of the two would help. We thought it would add important momentum to the campaign, and help counteract the anti-Catholic mood of many deeply Protestant Negro clergymen. King's own father, a Baptist minister, had signed a newspaper advertisement for Nixon, solely on religious grounds.

[Later in the campaign, intervention from the Kennedys helped get King released from jail.] Outside the prison, King said, "I am deeply indebted to Senator Kennedy, who served as a great force in making my release possible."

While he did not endorse Kennedy outright, the Atlanta Journal reported, "He did just about everything short of it." To the congregation [at a service that night] he said, "I never intend to be a religious bigot. I never intend to reject a man running for President of the United States just because he is a Catholic. Religious bigotry is as immoral, undemocratic, un-American and un-Christian as racial bigotry."

Dr. King, Sr. chose that evening to make his public announcement:

"I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion. But now he can be my President, Catholic or whatever he is. It took courage to call my daughter-in-law at a time like this. He has the moral courage to stand up for what he know is right. I've got all my votes and I've got a suitcase and I'm going to take them up there and dump them in his lap."

[Shortly before Election Day, Wofford was alone with Kennedy.] I walked with him out on the runway to his plane, the Caroline. He was carrying his three-year-old daughter on his back, and my five-year-old son, Daniel, was on mine. The sun was shining and his gaiety that day had the air of victory about it.

Then, in the only reference I ever heard him make to the King affair, he asked, "Did you see what Martin's father said? He was going to vote against me because I was a Catholic, but since I called his daughter-in-law, he will vote for me. That was a hell of a bigoted statement, wasn't it? Imagine Martin Luther King having a bigot for a father!"

He said it lightly, and as we parted, he grinned and added, "Well, we all have fathers, don't we?"

By Harris Wofford is the co-chairman of America's Promise, former CEO of the Corporation for National Service and Senator from Pennsylvania.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13621_1.html   (link to source)

I got to meet Bobby Kennedy and to paint him as a racist is completely false, he was very pro equal rights. The FBI was ran by J. Edgar Hoover and it was he who had it in for King, Hoover also could not stand the Kennedys.

Here is a part of a larger article:

  On October 18, 1963, the FBI distributed a different kind of memorandum on King, not only to the Justice Department, but to officials at the White House, the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Defense Department, and Defense Department intelligence agencies. It summarized the bureau's Communist party charges against King and went much further. According to - Assistant Attorney General Burke Marshall, it was a personal diatribe . . . a personal attack without evidentiary support on the character, the moral character and person of Dr. Martin Luther King, and it was only peripherally related to anything substantive, like whether or not there was Communist infiltration or influence on the civil rights movement.... It was a personal attack on the man and went far afield from the charges [of possible Communist influence].

The attorney general was outraged and demanded that Hoover seek the return of the report. By October 28, all copies were returned. This was the first-and last-official action to deter Hoover's vendetta against King.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/NSA/Vendetta_MLK_LS.html

Rich is right, it was the southern democrats that were the problem not the northern democrats. The Southern Democrats left us and joined the republican party. George Wallace, Jessie Helms and others like them, said what those people wanted to hear.

LBJ was a democrat and a very proactive civil rights supporter. And Rich was right, his actions lost us the south.

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First 40 minutes thought it was horrible, the man should NEVER smile, it's scary.

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Agreed.

And guilty as charged.  I have the most insincere looking smile in the world.  I can't help it.  I'm sure I have a natural smile in me somewhere, but my smiles-upon-demand look like my lips have crawled off my face, leaving me with my teeth protruding like the inner jaws of Giger's Alien.

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