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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 11:06am | IP Logged | 1
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Wait. How did that make your reply seem nonsensical?
All I did was add
Yes, report the news, not editorialize the news. They reported it in a way that made it sound like something it wasn't. Had it been students doing the exact same thing but with McCain it wouldn't have made headlines and been a minor story. And it would have said they put up a McCain poster rather than hung an Obama effigy.
It's things like this that make me wonder why I'm a Democrat.
I didn't original line that you replied to.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Touche. But...
Scott - wait - I think you're confused - did you read the story? They didn't hang up a poster - they hung up a cardboard cutout of Obama - hung by his neck.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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And, if they did it to McCain they would also be punnished - we don't know that they wouldn't have been because they did not do that. We don't know - that's a false assumption.
BUT - here's the key - had they done it, it would have been wrong, but there wouldn't be the same outrage because our nation doesn't have a shamefull (recent!) history of hanging old white men from trees.
Now, if, say, students dressed up as Viet Cong and attacked a McCain effigy, it would be different.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Yes. I know it was a cardboard cutout. I'm saying the media would have called it a McCain poster had it been McCain.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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A cardboard cut-out of McCain hung up by it's neck would be described as
an effigy as well, I have no doubt, for that is simply what it is. Would
they avoid the phrase "in effigy"? Perhaps. Is the point moot? Almost
certainly.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 11:17am | IP Logged | 6
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Based on the way the media has treated every candidate (including other Democrats) other than Obama, it's valid assumption.
Using your Viet Cong example, I didn't realize the students were dressed in KKK robes. That would make a difference.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 7
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My intent was to point out that however stupid the act may have been, It may not have been what it first appears to be.
"Regardless of the students' intent, the image of a black man hung
from a tree is one of the most hurtful symbols of racism in American
history," Lau said in the statement. "Displays such as this have no
place on a campus that is dedicated to living out the teachings of
Jesus.
This statement by the dean seems to back me up. So far the school has been the only investigator into the issue, and according to their findings...it was punishable, but not worth expulsion.
I agree that the historical precedent of the image a black man hanging from a tree is incredibly hurtful, but there were some salient pieces of imagery missing to make it a willfully racist act(according to the description)
I believe that they were making a very poorly thought out political statement. Imagine if the same exact thing..an Obama standup figure...had merely been securely fastened to the ground with the same message taped to it...
It was the merely securing method that has everyone up in arms....Not worth it.
Don
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

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And would a cardboard cut-out of a white man hung by it's neck from a tree have any different connotations than a cardboard cut-out of a black man hung by it's neck from a tree?
Definitely.
Does Scott Richards get paid to miss the point?
Possibly.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Does Andrew Hess get paid to take pot shots at other posters personally rather than address the issues?
Possibly.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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The point is, no where in the article does it say their reasoning for what they did. Every one is making assumptions and assuming guilt. Careful handling those stones.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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And does Scott Richards overreact every time someone comments on his
approach?
Hmmm.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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There is no other way to view a black man hanging by his neck from a tree.
If they were so ignorant to not understand the instant cultural association, they surely would be quickly made aware of it by all the attention, and they would come out and say "Wow! Despite us being in college, we were ignorant of the history of lynching blacks in America - we meant to make a different kind of political statement."
There is no way to not see this for what it is. If someone referenced a homosexual and dropped their wrist, would you assume they just had a sort wrist that day? If someone was disgusted with a point and cupped their hand and jerked it up and down, would you assume they were... what? Shaking a bottle of beer? If someone walked up to you and extended the middle finger, would you asume they were justuring that you were number one?
You can not be missing the point when it's so clear.
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