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Thomas Woods
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 1
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I was so nervous about this for Sara but man she did far
greater than I expected. Even if you are against her I
think you should give her props.
I'm watching the news now and they have already found at
least 10 things Biden claimed as facts are really false.
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Jozef Brandt
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | 2
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Did Biden have some plastic surgery on his eyes? They looked funny/different.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | 3
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No they looked like Irish beady eyes. I see the same eyes in the mirror every
morning!
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | 4
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Biden comes off really likeable, I would love to sit and talk to that guy on the train home each night. I bet time would fly.
Sarah didn't say too much, would be hard pressed to pin her down on many things. Which is, I am sure what her handlers told her to do, I am sure they said to keep going back to the buzz lines, be vague and if you aren't sure about something, say something like "McCain is a Maverick".
I still believe people that weren't sure, feel pretty sure, that Biden could step into the roll of president pretty easily.
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Mike O'Brien
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 5
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Speaking of plastic surgery... what's up with Palin's lip tats???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/30/is-sarah-palins-lip liner_n_130352.html?FARK
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Mike O'Brien
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Sarah didn't say too much, would be hard pressed to pin her down on many things
True - among my many gripes about her is that there's no substance to what she says - it's just the constant bleating, in that sickening shrill voice, about how she's some super every-man - some folksy populist hero. Good god - not of my America, you ain't, sister!
But! She did manage to bleat out a couple of lines that could be fact-checked, and they were...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/debate_fact_check
Surely there will be a longer list tomorrow - this is hot off the press - and unlike the FOX news one - it's got fact checks for both participants.
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Joe Zhang
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"Way to ignore what I'm saying, and go right to knocking who's saying it. You should run for office."
I'm not "knocking" on you. What exactly about Republicanism is conservative? The way they've rushed off into war, put vast power into the Presidency, put vast wealth into a very few (and very foolish) hands, is hardly conservative. It's a pattern of behavior that follows an incredibly radical ideology.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 02 October 2008 at 10:07pm
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | 8
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I understand that John McCain is a maverick and Joe Biden is from Scranton,
Pa.
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Emery Calame
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| Posted: 02 October 2008 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | 9
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Looks like Europe is having financial problems too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_prit chard/3118994/Financial-Crisis-So-much-for-tirades-against-A merican-greed.html
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Rich Rice
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Sarah had a good night. And Joe Biden had an even better one.
She has for the moment ended the comparisons to Dan Quayle. A sigh of relief for beltway Republicans, with many a cheer from Evangelicals. Although I'm certain there were nervous squirms when she tried to have it both ways on the issue of gay rights... Awkward!
Not quite enough focus on the family. Not that they shouldn't fret. Given the chance she would throw gays under a bus with the same lightning speed as would any other Republican.
After the last 8 yrs., I can't imagine living through 4 yrs. of Dick Cheney-esque foreign policy, only Sarah Palin style. We're going to put an Embassy in Jerusalem? And prevent Iran from having nuclear electricity? -In that case, her son had better be packing 2 rifles. So Mr. Woods, while you're fact checking Biden you may want to 'reality' check Sarah. More of the same simple minded arrogance and bluster.
In the end, she offered little substance. Only the politics of personality. She's a maverick. He's a maverick. As if the change America craves is to be a person, rather than policy. The economy will have to heal itself -and quick- for that tact to pan out.
God bless this financial crisis! The Lord works in mysterious ways. Thank you, father.
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Mark Waldman
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My thoughts...
The Republicans never wanted John McCain, the Bush gang told everyone loud and clear 8 years ago that McCain was terrible and not to be trusted. The fact that now in their hour of need they need McCain to keep the reign of terror going is ironic.
No one likes McCain, even his own state of Arizona (as witnessed by the lowest nationwide TV ratings coming from Phoenix), so he brings in "his Hillary," the spunky "hockey mom" (whatever the hell that is - I know soccer moms, but how many moms nationwide are actually hockey moms? Strange) to save his arse.
The hungry Republicans, floundering in the record of their president, clamored for Palin to rally the troops and she did. Sassy, brassy, mean as a snake, and a "regular person" just like the blobs of America who relate to "strong religious values" and having children out of wedlock, Palin's schtick worked. Or did it?
As witnessed by her being sequestered from the press and the flubs in the couple interviews she did do (YouTube is a great source for Palin's obvious lack of understanding of basic things such as the Bush Doctrine and Supreme Court decisions, I urge you to check it out and laugh a bit), coupled with the complete collapse of the American economy, it seems America understands an inexperienced "mom" probably isn't who we need to lead the country.
Held up in "boot camp" to learn basic politics all week, it wasn't a surprise to me that the woman who sees the Kremlin from her backyard did ok. It's a safe format, no real "debating" going on, just a few seconds of spin till you can segue into your campaign trail talking points. Humorously, interviews with a TV journalist are more challenging, and demonstrative of Palin's lack of knowledge and experience than formal debates, which are designed to show Americans what a candidate knows.
I would just say this - the Republicans can't win. They have no leader - they're all distancing themselves from the president and his failed policies, which is funny since they're suggesting by voting for them it would indicate a vote for "change". McCain isn't the party leader, people don't even like him. Palin isn't the leader. Who is? Clearly the Republicans have NO leader and are completely rudderless. So much so that now, as I noted, they have to say how they're going to step in and fix all the F ups that have been going on.
I wonder how stupid Republicans think Americans are? Obviously very stupid. They assume Americans will disregard the fact that for 8 years a Republican president has nearly bankrupt the country with mad spending and reckless, irresponsible policies, and that by voting in another Republican, one who sold his soul a few years back and started saying how great Bush was, and voting that way to show his allegiance and gain the party's base's votes, it would "fix" the problems caused the past 8 years.
I also enjoy how if you're a Republican who has supported Bush, the war, the spending, the other war, the tax cuts, the deregulation that led to the mortgage industry collapsing and banks going under, you are now told to vote for a ticket that stands up there and says "They suck, we're mavericks, we'll fix it."
Wouldn't you be offended by this? After all, if you're a Bushite, you love Bush's Yosemite Sam bit, his tough talk, his smoking out terrorists and speaking to god. Why would you want a ticket that says this administration sucks and needs to be replaced by people who know what they're doing? People who will "change" things? haha, what a conundrum.
Obviously McCain is completely full of crap, as is his inexperienced and detrimental sidekick. McCain was an all over the map Republican who had some pretty liberal thoughts at one time. Then Bush and company destroyed him, said he was insane from his imprisonment in the war, and that he fathered black, illegitmate children. Realizing his only chance to get elected as father time was working his magic on him, McCain had to appeal to Bush's base and fall in line with him. One would call this flip-flopping, no? I would.
Now when Obama comes out and says the country's a mess, and it is, and needs "change," McCain gloms onto that slogan and has become the maverick of change. So from one viewpoint, to another, to this, back to what he was before the Bush smear campaign of 2000. No one sees this for what it is?
Sorry, John, you can surround yourself with special needs baby holding hockey moms all you want, but the headlines of companies in chaos speak louder than your spin. Just today Ford, Toyota and BMW discussed losses and continued downward trends from America's collapse. Unemployment claims are up. Banks are failing, stocks are plummeting. Lie all you want, prep Sarah till the cows come home, but it's obvious the only way to actually change anything is by voting for the other party.
Your party did this to us, we're done with you. November 4th will tell the story, the Republicans will lose, and they better figure out how to get the party back together, because they have NO leadership and it's readily apparent.
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Joe Zhang
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"God bless this financial crisis! The Lord works in mysterious ways. Thank you, father."
Well, you might want to hold the thanks until later. The economic meltdown, if serious enough, may doom Obama to a one-term presidency.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 02 October 2008 at 11:11pm
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