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Scott Richards
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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 1  

Matt, don't go clouding the issue with facts.

Don't worry William.  He didn't.  Well, not the complete facts.  He didn't mention that the list of contributions is over a 20 year period.  It lists what McCain and Obama (and all the others have received over the last 20 years.  McCain has been around for 20 years and Obama only 3.  So Obama falls at # 2 on the list in contributions and all of that was crammed into 3 years and not 20.
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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | 2  

The point remains that both McCain and Obama have taken campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in some way or another making the issue, at least to me, moot.  It gains no traction with me with the exception of McCain claiming to be a "maverick" ready to root out corruption in evil Wall Street and Washington starting with lobbyists...from whom he's received more than his fair share of contributions.
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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 3  

William "Matt, don't go clouding the issue with facts."

You can set the money issue aside if you like, but the
original fact you were missing, and asking about, was
that Republicans did attempt to do something about the
issue.

I just threw in the money thing at the bottom and that's
what you latch onto.

Edited by Thomas Woods on 05 October 2008 at 12:55pm
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Man this Bailout thing is really disturbing. I don't
like it one bit.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqNffzSinK8&eurl=http://www.r iehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/09/obama-fre ddie-m.html
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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 5  

Thomas Woods I am going to call you a racist since you see no problem with that video, you are what I think is the worst possible version of your party. You along with guys that post "damn spooks ruined the banks" in that videos comments section are sickening and your blind loyality to some greedy unethical, win at all costs people in your party, have taken this country to a really horrible place in history. So far this thread has been free of racist bullshit and the fact you post that, should be called out for what it is.

I bet you are the exact kind of guy that was spouting that anyone that opposed the Iraq war was unAmerican.

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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | 6  

Jodi, you are wrong, and guilty yourself for attacking
someone so quickly you don't even know. How is that
being open minded?

And please point out how the c-span video is racist? Did
I miss some of the embedded text that is clearly racist?
I don't see where you are coming from. If labeling
someone racist is your only form of attack or defense
then you may as well give up. Start telling me how the
democrats didn't have anything to do with this failure
if you can.
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 Thomas Woods wrote:
Start telling me how the
democrats didn't have anything to do with this failure
if you can.

Of course they did...as did Republicans.  No one comes out of this financial crisis unscathed.  The Republicans are no more visionaries or knights in shinning armor than the Democrats are the sole reason why we are in this horrible economic crisis.

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Mike O'Brien
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Well, Thomas, for one thing, the video is helping to perpetrate the myth that this current financial situation is based on black people buying homes.

 

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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 9  

"Of course they did...as did Republicans. No one comes
out of this financial crisis unscathed. The Republicans
are no more visionaries or knights in shinning armor
than the Democrats are the sole reason why we are in
this horrible economic crisis."


I agree with that statement. But there were two sides to
this issue and one side voted to let it keep going while
the other saw a problem and attempted to stop it.

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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 10  

Both parties going back several administrations share the blame with de-regulation and good old-fashioned all-American greed.
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Also, Matt, Thomas - as I noted in my Congressional post - you can use congressional records to prove any point you like.

Did Rs try to stop this?  Yes!  Did D's stop them?  Yes!  Did D's try to stop this?  Yes!  Did Rs try to stop them?  Yes!

zzzz... relevence?

Whenever you hear/read a talking point blaming some congressional vote - take it with a grain of salt.  Look it up, investigate a little - you'll frequently find that it's a wash.

As is the case with this financial mess.  Did the Rs try to float a plan?  Yes, and it didn't pass committee, and then it became another bill that no one was too concerned about.  Oh, and 16 months after the fact, McCain piggy backed onto it.  Also, Obama introduced a bill.  And it went no where too.

Because?  Bills are introduced every day.  Some make it, some don't.  Sometimes two bills that say almost the same thing, but one has pork for Ds and one has pork for Rs and thus, the party line votes.

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Posted: 05 October 2008 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 12  

Thomas the video wasn't an indictment on democrats it was a video blaming black people for the Fannie problem. Seriously you saw that as such a correct idea, you posted it here.  The fact that you put a video on this thread that had comments like I listed before, is just wrong. Those weren't the only racist comments on there in support of that video. And as for my quick judgement of you I will use a saying that was a favorite of my dads.

"If you walk like a duck and talk like a duck, you must be a duck."  

 

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