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William McCormick
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I agree that Republicans are not visionaries without fault, that is what I mean Matt. I'm talking about the one moment where, after all these mistakes were made by all, there was an attempt to fix the problem, and the
democrats blocked it from happening.

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Once again, proof. How did the Dems stop a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican president from fixing this. I'm not saying it didn't happen but provide some proof.

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http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/1001.h tml

I strongly suggest the whole piece.

I asked for links, not cuts and pastes.~Matt

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William those links I provided did tell how they blocked
it. Or do you want finer details of how it broke down?
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Okay Jodi, I think you are being a bit childish but feel
free to think what you want. I would like an apology for
your attack but you seem to have made up your mind.
Maybe you just have no other way to treat people who
disagree with your opinions.
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I did on the last page, Thomas.  Obama himself brought it to the floor.
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William McCormick
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William those links I provided did tell how they blocked
it. Or do you want finer details of how it broke down?

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What links? The NY Times one from before the legislation was even drafted? That's the only one you posted.

How do the Dems stop a Republican controlled Congress from passing into law a bill like this? Once the legislation was drafted they would have been outvoted and the Reps wouldn't have had to worry about Bush vetoing it.

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Filibuster or the threat of it is one way.
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William, you are right, I forgot to post one link I was
reading.

2005, Greenspan warns, Republicans try to act

I asked for links only, not cut and pastes. ~ Matt



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Okay Jodi, I think you are being a bit childish but feel
free to think what you want. I would like an apology for
your attack but you seem to have made up your mind.
Maybe you just have no other way to treat people who
disagree with your opinions.

Well Thomas as I said, I think you are being a bit racist, so the apology you will get is, I am sorry that you posted that video in the first place, I sometimes don't realize racist attitudes like that are out there and so supported. Very sad and people wonder why people like Rev. Wright is out there saying, what he's saying.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/magazine/05Davis-t.html?_r =3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slo gin
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Jeez, Thomas, that's interesting... because if you read the congressional record, when it died in committee, (because of how the bill worked - privitizing Fannie and Freddie, not because they wanted the economy to crash)  it did so with a recomendation that the bill be brought up again, which is was, the next session.

Look - to all of you who are stuck on this talking point - the facts don't back it up.  I know where you're coming from - where I live, the only talk radio options are right wing, so I'm hearing these marching orders being given everyday - I get that the message is supposed to be the R's tried to save this and D's stopped them, but the facts just do not back that up.

To be spreading this sort of story involves a misunderstanding of how congress works. 

In this case, both parties introduced bills and the opposite party was opposed because the bills had fundemental party lines in them.  Why would the dems support a bill that pushed for Freddy and Fannie to be privatized?  That's not the Dem party line.  Likewise, why would the Repubs sign off on something that pushed for regulation?  That's not their party line.

Some clever soul who knew that "Joe Sixpack" doesn't have a working understanding of how Congress works and wouldn't take the time to check the facts, grabbed the bill the Republicans were working on, falsely claimed that McCain had something to do with it, (aside from slapping his name on it after it died) and let that info fly out into the media.  That's what's happening here.

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"I did on the last page, Thomas. Obama himself brought
it to the floor."

The s:1222 bill?

I'm reading the description of it and it doesn't seem to
be directed at the the Fannie Mae thing but more
directed at other mortgage companies. This is the first
thing I've read so more research is needed.

http://www.statesurge.com/bills/14761-s1222-federal
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