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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:04am | IP Logged | 1  

Aw, crap - I'm typing before I'm awake - Neil, the book is called "Dreams From my Father", not "of".

I have to wake up and get to work..!

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:06am | IP Logged | 2  

For the record, I think both cases are largely harmless.  I don't think Obama's religion is going to be much of an influence, I think McCain's the least religious Republican in my lifetime, I think Palin's as much a Christian as Bush is (i.e. not much), and I think Biden thinks he's God.

How is Palin's sweetheart relationship with the Alaska Independence Party getting so little play, especially as she attacks Obama's patriotism?  I thought the media was in the tank for Obama?

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Just went to get my mail and what did I find? The dvd for "Obsession:Radical Islam's War Against The West" from clarionfund.org. How the fuck did I get on this mailing list? Or are they just sending it to everyone?
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:09am | IP Logged | 4  

Is it a good read? I have heard of it and have seen it in the bookstores but have not looked at it. 
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:10am | IP Logged | 5  

Bill, you must be in a swing state.

Forward it to http://fawstin.blogspot.com/



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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:14am | IP Logged | 6  

Of course he's angry - you heard what he was talking abo- oh... oh, yeah.  You're the guy that equates the black experience with turning lemons into lemonaide... yeah... you've got some social studies to work on before your opinion becomes "informed".

Not at all.  I'm of the Bill Cosby school in that regard.  I'm white so I can't know what it's like.  Bill Cosby is black and started out dirt poor with nothing.  He worked hard to get where he is today.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/billcosbypoundcakes peech.htm

That's from someone who can speak on the subject with authority.  Bill made some pretty good lemonade.

 



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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:15am | IP Logged | 7  

 You might have missed it, but that's when Scott told America's blacks that they needed to take their lemons and make lemonaide. 

I like lemonade, but I don't know that I think thats a good plan to cure the impact of hundreds of years of racial inequality and the resultant costs vis a vis owned property and inhereited wealth.  Or the the way the aforementioned inequality has, to this point, affected the black family (and the resultant effect on the black community at large).  But I do enjoy a glass of lemonade.

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Just went to get my mail and what did I find? The dvd for "Obsession:Radical Islam's War Against The West" from clarionfund.org. How the fuck did I get on this mailing list? Or are they just sending it to everyone?

They have been sending them out in the millions.  They were also inserted into Sunday papers all over the country.  I ended up getting 2 of them in my mail box because one was addressed to the previous owner of my house.

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:31am | IP Logged | 9  

Neil - that book convinced me that he should be President.  For like... 3 terms. 

He speaks of growing up with his mom and grandparents in Hawaii - being black wasn't even on his radar... at first.  But the older he got he began to question what it means to be white, to be black.  It details him going to Africa to find his father and his father's family.  It's pretty awesome.

Scott - I agree with that.  I like a lot of what Cosby says about having self-respect and the little steps you need to take in order to take that bigger step.  But he loses me when he becomes too rigid in understanding the overall situation - especially in light of his earlier years - he did an amazing documentary in the 1970s detailing the black situation in America - can't remember the name right now, and I have to get to work, but I'll get it up here later - that was great work.  Now he comes off as an old man who's tired of the fight and is disgusted with "young people".

I do, however, think that we do need to acknowledge the black situation as more than just "welp!  We signed some laws, so now suddenly you're equal, even thought you don't have any of the advantages or opportunities as anyone else"  Programs were put in place to address the inadequacies, but they either didn't work, were mired in bureaucracy or are under constant attack from angry bitter whites who say they're not "fair" - (in a bizarre use of irony).

Now - look, Scott - I imagine I'm being hard on you on this - black concerns hold a special spot in my heart - so I apologize - if you really are open to talking about it - well, that's exactly what Obama's "More Perfect Union" speech is all about, so, I'm willing to listen to what you have to say and hopefully we can come to an understanding about this.

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 10  

I'm willing to listen to what you have to say and hopefully we can come to an understanding about this.

Don't do it, Mike!  You'll lose your "bully" cred!

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:43am | IP Logged | 11  

I've always thought that Bill Cosby's "problem" was that he doesn't realize not everyone is as capable and talented and intelligent as Bill Cosby.

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 9:08am | IP Logged | 12  

Bill, you must be in a swing state.

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I live in Pennsylvania. I wonder who they want me to vote for? I don't know if I can bring myself to watch it. On one hand I'm curious even though I know it's just a right wing propaganda film. On the other hand I don't want to sully my dvd player with such idiocy.

 

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