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Michael Myers
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"Sheesh. Miss the point much, Michael?"
You're the one working hard to miss the point, Al. America is not at its nadir in history. It was yet another unsupportable exaggeration. You want to chide me for a lack of imagination? Then, please, walk the fucking walk and lay it out for me.
Edited by Michael Myers on 08 October 2008 at 9:28am
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Joe Zhang
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Ah forget it. M&M living in his own world.
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Michael Myers
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Instead of shooting your mouth off, why don't try to take a shot at explaining how America is at its historical nadir, Joe?
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F. Ron Miller
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portrait of a NADIR
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Michael Myers
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Are you kidding me, F. Ron? How is this indicative of America being at its historical nadir?
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Joe Zhang
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I actually don't believe we're at the "nadir", but we're getting there, and fast.
Now if Obama lost his re-election in 2012 to Ralph Nader at that point I'd say were "nadir'ed".
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Mark McKay
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Having only watched sound bites of last nights debate and listening to the radio today, it occurred to me that comparing this election to 2000, McCain is Gore, and Obama is Bush. :)
In 2000 Bush laid out his plan and then never really veered from it during the campaign and debates. Gore, on the other hand, always seemed to be throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. Made him seem off his game and erratic. I think this is what it feels like McCain is doing right now, while Obama is just staying on message.
I'm not basing this on too much analysis, just as a general impression I have, as day-by-day, I grow more apathetic about the election.
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Michael Myers
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Hey, F. Ron, it looks like Angels are real. This poll is proof of the objective fact: 68% of Americans believe in Angels
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Michael Myers
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Now if Obama lost his re-election in 2012 to Ralph Nader at that point I'd say were "nadir'ed".
Pax, then. And my son got a lot out of the link you posted to the costume site, my thanks.
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Matt Hawes
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After seeing the last debate, I want somebody to do a parody of Paul McCartney's "This One" named "That One," in relation to McCain's comment.
Maybe John Mietus can sing it! :-)
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Geoff Gibson
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Michael:
If I am reading the article you linked correctly (and I'm not sure that I am) would the McCain proposal adopt the Hubbard Plan ("capping" the 30 year mortgage rate at 5.25%) or the Feldstein plan (offering a low interest loan to pay down the principal up to 20% but not exceeding $80K)? Based on the two options I think the Hubbard plan seems like the better "fix" the Feldstein plan seems like a re-allocation of debt (which, admittedly, is not always bad thing). Do you think the Hubbard plan, which if I read it right would be a direct federal loan "repayable" to the federal government, would result in similar offers from banks or would the Fed have to set the accompanying rate to ensure a higher bank rate? Would the interest payments to the goverment be tax deductible (wouldn't they have to be)?
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Al Cook
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While like Geoff I wouldn't exactly phrase it as 'at the nadir' (I don't think
it would be possible to outdo the era where the nation allowed human
slavery), there are definitely a whole host of combined factors that would
suggest that overall the United States is certainly at a low point in its
history.
Off the top of my head, things like:
Paranoia, distrust, divisiveness, unpopular president, controversial war,
corruption, economic crisis, loss of international credibility and respect,
media and politics that prey on and promote the ignorance of the general
populace, environmental pressures, energy pressures...
Nothing personal, though. The U.S. is not alone in many of these.
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