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Scott Richards
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Wayde, to me it's no different. He willing associated with Ayres knowing he was a domestic terrorist. That shows an extreme lack of ethics.
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Wayde Murray
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No, Scott. He wilingly associated with Ayers knowing he was a social activist in his community, working toward goals that Obama sought to further. He USED to be a domestic terrorist. It's not like Obama went to him to learn how to make bombs.
To me it's very different.
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Marcio Ferreira
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Scott what you can say about Bush ethics?
"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, we have evidence, they are going to attack US, blablabla"
Obama was part of a group that included Ayres A RESPECTED PROFESSOR AT A US UNIVERSITY. Or maybe you want to judge the dean that gave a job to a former terrorist.
Compare Ayers with Osama Bin Laden is not just unfair, is pure cynicism and stupid.
Edited by Marcio Ferreira on 11 October 2008 at 8:30am
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Al Cook
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Anything to justify an unreasoning hatred.
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Matt Hawes
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Ferguson ROCKS!
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Wayde Murray
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Al, I don't think Scott has an unreasoning hatred. A few pages ago he posted this (I am quoting his entire post to avoid claims that I took some part of it out of context):
Scott Richards wrote:
At this point I'm actually almost hoping for an Obama win. I have a feeling that the next President, no matter who it is, will end up being considered the worst President ever (even more so than Bush) since it will most likely get much, much worse before things get better. That will fall onto the shoulder's of whichever candidate is in office.
I don't see McCain or Obama lasting more than 1 term in office. Even more so Obama than McCain. Obama has people so geared up thinking he has some magic solution, that when things don't instantly turn around, people will turn on him like a pack of wild dogs.
See, that doesn't strike me as "unreasoning hatred". Just the opposite. It seems that Scott has thought his hatred through very carefully. It seems he would prefer Obama to defeat McCain NOT because he thinks Obama has superior ideas or abilities, but rather because he would prefer what he feels are inferior ideas of a person with inferior abilities be implemented, just so that the person he hates can wrest the title of "Worst President Ever" away from the current holder. He would prefer this over what one would assume were the superior ideas of the superior candidate, allowing the situation to worsen for his country and his countrymen, just so that McCain won't be blamed for not accomplishing enough.
So no, not unreasoning at all. UNQUESTIONING hatred I would agree with, however. It seems that nothing Team Obama does avoids his disapproval (no matter how trivial), and that nothing Team McCain does gets his disdain (no matter how noxious).
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Al Cook
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Interesting take, Wayde.
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Marcio Ferreira
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good point Wayde. Agreed
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William McCormick
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I just don't understand the hatred. I have no respect for McCain or Palin but I don't hate them.
Well put Wayde. I wish I could express myself more clearly on the written page so I could have avoided some of my mind numbing arguments with him.
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Matt Reed
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Scott Richards wrote:
| Wayde, to me it's no different. He willing associated with Ayres knowing he was a domestic terrorist. That shows an extreme lack of ethics. |
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So the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois should shun Ayres. They should make it so that no one meets, talks, discusses, or makes eye contact with him for fear someone, somewhere hold that person accountable for actions that they were never a part of nor ever condoned. We as a society should have gone back to the days of the Scarlett Letter for fear that any communication, no matter how small or large, be considered an endorsement of said individual's history dating back to a time when those communicating with them were but children and no action by the one in question in 30 years has indicated negative behavior.
God forbid anyone look at your friends, your family, hell, even those people that work in the same office you work in and take their actions and directly imply that you are a reflection of their past. Yeah, let's attack Michelle Obama for working in the same office of 500 lawyers that Ayres wife worked in. Seriously. You endorse this kind of petty, inconsequential, issue-diverting attack? How well would you fare in the exact same situation, Scott? I'd posit that given that same spotlight and the Rovian machinations of the RNC your character would be called into question as well and you'd be left scratching your head as to what the fuss is all about.
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Marcio Ferreira
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This whole thing about Ayers is stupid. period.
What the republican party did to US economy should the the center of the discussion and what is the proposed solution. So far John McCain is prososing the same deregulation, tax breaks for rich people, etc. How about discuss that.
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Wayde Murray
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Thanks guys. And William, I've been in those mind-numbing discussions with Scott as well. Trust me, you explain yourself well enough, and make yourself understood well enough on these writen pages so the average reader here can understand the points you make without any problem.
At least the average reader who isn't trying to deliberately misunderstand.
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