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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | 1
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LOL. Didn't even realize I had a typo. I fixed it.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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Oh, you most definitely know English better than I know Portuguese considering I don't know any Portuguese!
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Randy Lahey Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 24 January 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 673
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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This goes back a few pages (about 10) so I apologize for disrupting the current flow. Mike O'Brien said "My "slack"? I was heading to work.
And sure it's hyperboyle - why so sensitive?
You're a big fucking cry-baby, Myers. Waaaah waaah, he said something I don't like so I'll call names and cry.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you big fucking baby." I read the JBF daily, way more than I actually post, and I was disappointed by this post since I valued Mike O'Briens's posts on any topic. Michael Myers is challenging your posts, and not name calling yet you criticize him for name calling and then you particpate in name calling and obsenities. Your candiate is leading the polls and all is good in that area, so why dirty yourself with such immature antics? I don't always agree with Michael Myers opinions on subject matters but I value his posts as very informative and accurate and I dont' recall him name calling with people he doens't agree with. Maybe you were having a bad day that day and I'll chalk it up to an over reaction.
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 2514
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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Now seriously, Scott, may I ask you a question?
Are you open to change your point of view while you debate, or is just about "wining", having the last word, the last whatever?
Because, man, I don't understand (really) how someone might consider another term for the Republican party on the white house. whoever gets it, McCain, the Mormon guy, the one who not believe in evolution or even Sarah "pitt-bull" Palin. There is a basic assumption, a fundamental belief in the Republican party, which is deregulation.
The unregulated financial markets end up producing this mess. But they don't even consider change their approach. So, how do you expect a different result with more of the same medicine, that is madness. It is like the story "who stole my cheese". They will sit down and will refuse to accept the solution, even if that will cause their death.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | 5
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Marcio. No matter how people may want to spin it, McCain is not Bush. I've pointed out (several times) that I think that if McCain were elected, we would see the old McCain from 2000, not the McCain that has to go along with what some of the more conservative Republicans want to keep their votes.
I fully believe we need regulation in certain areas but we need smart regulation, not regulation just for the sake of regulation. Right now the word "regulation" is being thrown around they way "witch" was thrown around in Salem and it's turning into a witch hunt. If we aren't careful, it will be just as productive as the Salem witch trails. Tie stones to them and if they drown they were innocent and if they floated they were witches and would be burned at the stake. With a witch hunt mentality Congress will want to regulate everything to death.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7592
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 6
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I feel he'd [Obama] be horrible for this country. That's not hatred. I don't hate Obama any more than you hate McCain.
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I share -- although with far less hostility -- your dislike of Obama.
I'm unimpressed with his accomplishments, I'm indifferent to his rhetoric and alleged charisma, I find his judgment to be questionable, and I have no confidence that he's equipped to deal with the problems at hand. Nothing this guy has done leads me to believe he has the qualifications to handle the issues this country is facing; I think he's more like to turn out to be another Jimmy Carter than FDR -- or even Bill Clinton.
Even his campaign has been unimpressive. He's not winning the election, it's being handed to him -- by a combination of media complicity, a rival candidate who seems to be shooting himself in the foot at every turn, and good timing (prior to the economy starting to tank in earnest, Obama was incapable of pulling ahead of McCain).
Despite all of this, I just can't imagine anyone even remotely left-leaning or centrist thinking McCain/Palin is the better choice. Any hope I had that McCain would be like his old self, circa 2000, was dashed by his choice of VP. I don't know if McCain is doddering on the edge of senility or if he just woke up one morning and realized he didn't actually want to be President after all. Palin is unqualified and flat-out scary.
It's come down to a choice between eating horse manure and arsenic -- the manure certainly isn't appealing, but it's better than poison.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10927
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 7
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Sweet Jesus - the attack ads must be working!
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 2514
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 8
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Bad regulation is as bad as deregulation. Just about the financial crisis, the whole point is about derivatives. I am an internal auditor and an accountant (I have a Bachelor in accounting and a Brazilian equivalent to CPA), and those CDS - Credit Default Swaps are in the CORE of the financial crisis. Those instruments are responsible for the liquidity crisis and they are responsible for breaking the companies.
This all comes back to the Greenspan period at the Federal Reserve. I can write several pages about how we came to this, but, let's be clear on just one thing. Deregulation is at the core of the Republican party beliefs.
John McCain is a great politician, is playing dirty against Obama, but that is what he believes he have left. Ok, Understandable. Regratable, but understandable. Now, even though he is a great politician, he knows nothing about economy, that is not his arena. Look at his economic advisors, and you will see that, unless he is planning to change it all after getting in the office, he is being advised by the same people who drove US in this mess. Obama seems to be more academic, and the economic group of the Democratic party is different. Another thought, if McCain dies, Sarah Palin will be just a pupet in the hands of the same people that put US in this mess, again, I rather have an Obama (which seems nice, but is just a bet) than a Sarah Palin playing around with the hawks that have been dominating US for the past 8 years.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 9
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Thom, I find myself agreeing with just about everything you say. In my mind, there probably only a 25% chance that an Obama Presidency would be okay and that would only happen if Democrats lost control of either the House or the Senate. On the other hand, I do feel McCain is qualified to be President. I do not like his choice of Palin and wouldn't want her to be President any more than I would want Obama.
Actuarily speaking, there is a 33% chance McCain could die while in office, hence a 33% chance of a Palin Presidency.
Since I think the odds of a bad Presidency under Obama is 75% and statistically the odds of Palin becoming President are 33%, I have to play the numbers. It works out to a 66% chance of a good Presidency with McCain and a 25% chance with Obama. Of course, that's all based on Obama's policies so for someone else, those percentages change. It all depends on what you believe in.
As I've stated before, I'm conservative when it comes to the economy, national security and foreign policy and liberal for social issues. In this world climate, my conservative side trumps my liberal side.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 10
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Seriously, though, your posts are something I've come to look for on many threads, this one most of all.
Right back at you, Al and Talley and I have an open relationship, so we're cool. LOL
Do you think that Republicans are in charge of printing the ballots?
I believe it depends on what party is in charge of the city, also it could have been the printer that hated Obama.
No. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist. That's like saying a rapist is an ex-rapist or a serial killer is an ex-serial killer.
Scott this is not even close to the same, to label him as such, is completely wrong.
Sorry. Had things to do in the real world so couldn't camp the boards. :P
Dang it Scott stop looking down on me because I live in a town with nothing to do except watch corn grow and keep an eye on an evil squirrel that lives in the tree in our back yard, I think it is going to try to eat our brains, seriously look at this thing.

McCain and Palin have gone so negative, they have their supporters shouting out racial epithets and "Kill Him". After promising to run a new kind of campaign. One of respect. Get real.
I don't mind heated politics, but what McCain/Palin is doing, they are demonizing Obama And when you have those in the crowd screaming "Kill him" and "Terrorist" , you are campaigning hate. I really fear for Obama's life. I called McCains Senate office and told them how I feel and I encourage everyone else to do the same, this hate talk should not be tolerated. Here is McCains Number 1-202-224-2235
I know my English is better than your Portuguese, so I must not bother my mistakes
We had a foriegn exchange student from Brazil and Portguese is a really tough language to learn. Marcio I bet you know the meteric system too. Scott you will lose the battle of smarts, I am afraid we Americans can be pretty stupid.
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 2514
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 11
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Thom Price, you said it right.
Any reasonable person knows for a fact that Obama is a bet on the unknown. He can be a great president or another Jimmy Carter, who knows.
The point is, when you put another party in the white house, you change the economic team, the ones who run the show (even though Clinton kept Greenspan in the Federal Reserve). I assume that between the two, it is more likely that Obama will ask for a change in those policies more than McCain.
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | 12
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Marcio, I pointed out something about a hundred pages back (at least it feels like that long ago) that I think speaks to your point. John McCain is on record as saying he doesn't really understand the economy, that it's not really his area of expertise. Now I don't know that Obama understands economics any better than McCain does, but there is definitely a soundbite out there with McCain admitting he's not great on economics issues, and to the best of my knowledge there isn't an equivalent Obama soundbite out there.
Is anyone surprised that the Democrats haven't unearthed this McCain quote and pounded the airwaves with it?
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