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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Scott, did you read the rest of that post?
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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However, let's not whitewash the crimes committed by William Ayers. He is a terrorist who would be (and should be) in prison had it not been for prosecutorial misconduct relating in no way to his guilt or innocence.
Here is what, I am not getting, Ayers actions in the past should have been condemned, but to say he should be in jail now, is wrong, this is a person that changed his life, became an asset to society. Do past crimes mean, that a person should never be able to redeem themselves? By all accounts he has turned his life around, contributed to the good of his community and I would guess he has done more good recently, than most citizens.
Connecting Obama to the hate filled word of terrorist is dangerous and at such a low, it's scary. Did no one learn anything from Bush and the swiftboaters, do you want your person to win so bad you are willing to be a part of the lynch mob mentality. Gee you better get your pitch forks and torches ready because that is how McCain supporters are coming off as.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | 3
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Scott, did you read the rest of that post?
Mike, yes I did.
Abusing power doesn't equate to crazy or bitch.
I missed the Palin quote where she believed in witches. Where was that
reported? Or, are you attributing things others said or believed to
her? If so that would make all of Wright's beliefs Obama's as well,
now wouldn't it?
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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Christopher, I didn't jump on Scott because he made a personal attack on a candidate. I jumped on Scott because I thought what he said was wrong. He tried to compare Palin's own unlawful actions to the actions of people Obama has been in the same room with, equating both to a lack of personal ethics. If he had compared Palin's actions with an unlawful act of Obams's own, I wouldn't have corrected him.
The last time I jumped on Scott was when he compared US - Canada relations to that of a parent and their child, wherein he compared an op-ed piece in a Canadian paper to the temper tantrum of a child. It's in this thread somewhere, look it up for yourself.
I never said Scott was stupid, I said what he wrote was stupid. Both times. And I didn't try to stop him from attacking Obama. Personal attacks on candidates are as old as politics.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 5
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However, let's not whitewash the crimes committed by William
Ayers. He is a terrorist who would be (and should be) in prison had it
not been for prosecutorial misconduct relating in no way to his guilt
or innocence.
Here is what, I am not getting, Ayers actions in the past should
have been condemned, but to say he should be in jail now, is wrong,
this is a person that changed his life, became an asset to society. Do
past crimes mean, that a person should never be able to redeem
themselves? By all accounts he has turned his life
around, contributed to the good of his community and I would guess he
has done more good recently, than most citizens.
Okay Jodi, let's look at it a different way. Someone tortures and murders your entire family and is never punished for it. Years later, it's found they have turned their life around, contributed tot he good of his community and done more good recently than most citizens, you'd be cool with giving him a free pass?
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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Christopher, I didn't jump on Scott because he made a personal attack
on a candidate. I jumped on Scott because I thought what he said was
wrong. He tried to compare Palin's own unlawful actions to the actions
of people Obama has been in the same room with, equating both to a lack
of personal ethics. If he had compared Palin's actions with an unlawful
act of Obams's own, I wouldn't have corrected him.
Okay, then let's switch it to Obama's admitted cocaine use. Not being caught and prosecuted for it doesn't make it any less of a crime.
Edited by Scott Richards on 11 October 2008 at 10:12pm
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Mike, yes I did.
Abusing power doesn't equate to crazy or bitch.
I missed the Palin quote where she believed in witches. Where was that reported? Or, are you attributing things others said or believed to her? If so that would make all of Wright's beliefs Obama's as well, now wouldn't it?
Scott... Scott, Scott, Scott... what will we do with you?
No, the rest of the post where the post is revealed to be a gag supporting Miller's idea of hypocracy. Where I quote the Daniel Boone lyrics?
On the last page, Miller noted that people jump on you because you don't like Obama and I corrected him and noted that that wasn't why. (Side note - you followed this up by comparing me to something that calls something else something. You don't see the faulty logic in that either, do you? I corrected a point, I didn't call anyone anything.) ((Other side note: Can you even read? Is someone reading this to you?))
The reason why we jump on you? Because your logic is SO bad. We're not "jumping on" (as Miller says) people who don't like Obama - otherwise this thread would be utter chaos. It's just you. Because of posts like the one I quote here, and many many others. Your logic is just bad.
And that time I am calling you out.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Not being caught and prosecuted for it doesn't make it any less of a crime.
More bad logic - her "crimes" had to do with her role in government. His was something he did in college.
Scott... seriously.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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It's not at all surprising that the possibility of a Black president would bring out racist support for McCain. What's surprising is that the non-racist supporters of McCain aren't stomping on that sh*t.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Someone tortures and murders your entire family and is never punished for it.
The hits keep coming - Ayers never tortured nor murdered anyone. Bad logic. Bad comparison.
Scott, seriously...
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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It's not at all surprising that the possibility of a Black president would bring out racist support for McCain. What's surprising is that the non-racist supporters of McCain aren't stomping on that sh*t.
Or worse, making excuses for it - "Well, it's ok that he did it because someone said something about Palin that I didn't care for".
(Note carefully - my use of that statement does condemn some here for playing misdirection, but it also credits you as "non-racist" as Joe says. Unless you prove yourself otherwise...)
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Hey - but speaking of people with bad pasts: John Poindexter working for the Bush Administration. Republicans? Defend that.
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