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Scott Richards
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In regards to Scott, I don't know him. Months ago I got the impression
he was fixated on the racial issues of an Obama nomination.
What gave you that impression? I've never made race a factor.
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Joe Zhang
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We were talking about the Bradley effect.
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Scott Richards
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Christopher, circumstances only matter if it supports your candidate. They are disregarded if it makes the opponent look bad.
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Mike O'Brien
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If someone pays for their crimes, then by all means, they can be redeemed
So - do you say that his work with the schools in Chicago did not redeem him? Do you have certain parameters that need to be met that define "pays for their crimes"?
Good to hear you believe in redemption. Sounds like you ARE a Democrat!
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Scott Richards
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | 5
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We were talking about the Bradley effect.
Because I posted what I'd heard on the news? I'd never heard of it before even though it had been coined in the early 80's so assumed others hadn't either and hadn't seen it mentioned previously in the thread. I can't see how you would get that impression from that. Lots of people have posted things regarded race but I don't think that makes them racist. Whether it's fair or not, race does play a role in this election on both sides.
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Mike O'Brien
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Scott, in all fairness, and this is why I asked the question on the last page - your position on the candidates seems ... odd. Like, you're a Hillary supporter and a lifelong Dem, but if it comes to Obama, who is not that different from other Dems, you're suddenly a hard-core McCain/Palin supporter.
I can see where, not saying I agree with this, but I can see where someone would do some math in their head and start to add things up - ("Hm... what's different about Obama? He was against the war all along as opposed to the other Dems that were for it and now against it. There's that... and ... uh... what else...? Um. Um... black. Yep. That's the only other difference.")
Scott - I'm not saying race is your thing, but a lot of us don't see where Obama is that much different on policy than other Dems, so I think it's a question that might pop into some people's heads as they try to figure out your logic on this.
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Scott Richards
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Yeah, Mike, I do. He never paid for his crimes. Period.
He spent no time in jail. Oh, wait, but he's white, so he shouldn't have to go to jail for his crimes, right?
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There is a historical standard of whites getting less jail time, yes, Scott, but no, that's not my point.
I think Jail or no, he's done enough good works for the betterment of mankind, specifically for the people in the Chicago area - that he was awarded by the City of Chicago and recognized by the community. I think his works have made up for his actions. Frankly, I wish more people would take to the streets (though I would not advocate bombing anything. leave that to the real villians - the Eric Rudolphs and the OK bombers) over the directon our nation is headed, but that's just me.
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Joe Zhang
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"Because I posted what I'd heard on the news? "
I wouldn't describe talk radio as "news".
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| Posted: 11 October 2008 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 10
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Christopher wrote:
Some of what the trooper did.
From the link you provided:
"Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days. She warned that if he messed up again, he'd be fired."
It seems the process didn't require the direct intervention of either the governor or her husband. If Wooten was a bad cop he should have been processed out. His commanding officer seemed to be willing and able to do that without interference. But Palin abusing her authority to get a bad cop fired is still a case of Palin abusing her authority.
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Scott Richards
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Scott, in all fairness, and this is why I asked the question on the
last page - your position on the candidates seems ... odd. Like,
you're a Hillary supporter and a lifelong Dem, but if it comes to
Obama, who is not that different from other Dems, you're suddenly a
hard-core McCain/Palin supporter.
But that's not in all fairness. I've said before that McCain/Palin are the lesser of two evils for me. I'm not a hard-core McCain/Palin supporter. I'm a hard-core support the candidate most likely to defeat the candidate I least want in office. I've said this before. And, Obama is a lot more liberal than most Democrats if you look beyond just his Senate voting record.
Part of the problem we have now is every one seems to scream "racist" at the drop of a hat. If you don't like someone and they're white, then it has nothing to do with race, but if you don't like someone and they're black, then it can only be about race. That makes no sense but seems to be the norm for so many people.
Now if Colin Powell were running for President, he is someone I would vote for but, how could that be, isn't he black?
Edited by Scott Richards on 11 October 2008 at 10:56pm
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Scott - how about this? Let's say Obama wins. And let's say, you know, things don't go to hell. The economy doesn't get worse, and things stablize and heck, some things turn out ok. Let's say all this happens, and Obama even turns out to be a decent leader.
What say I take you to lunch if that happens, huh? I don't know where you live, but I'm guessing it's not in my neck of the woods, so this deal would be, you know, I'd send you a gift card to a restaurant or something, but... come on. You have said over and over that you seem sure that Obama is not the leader we need - I'm willing to buy you a soup and sandwhich to show how dedicated I am to the idea that he is exactly what we need. (to say nothing of the larger bet I have going with a fellow board member!)
What do you say? Would you accept that? If things turn out ok in a year or two?
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