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Matt Hawes
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Just in case people didn't see both videos of that old guy with the monkey doll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFG1ebuKZU&fmt=18&fm t=6
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Marcio Ferreira
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| Posted: 12 October 2008 at 11:53am | IP Logged | 2
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Sarah Palin getting rid of the comics.
Edited by Marcio Ferreira on 12 October 2008 at 11:55am
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Scott Richards
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Since we don't know who the economic advisors would be or what proposals they would come up with, it's a guessing game.
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So it is better to discuss things that don't matter instead of looking for asnwers on that?
I never said or implied that. I pointed out the fact that we can only make guesses and never even came close to suggesting nothing should be discussed. Quit making illogical assumptions.
Your definitions of Republican and Democrat are way too simplistic.
You painted it as black and white when in the reality of things it's
not that clear cut.
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For
tha sake of this discussion we have to make some assumptions
At least make logical ones please.
You can propose
more complex assumptions and we can disccus based on "adjusted"
assumptions
I did by saying neither side is right and it would take both sides, but you don't seem to care about that.
but I have the feeling that all you want to do here is to
"win" the discussions, for a grown up man that attitude is silly.
Don't listen to your feelings because obviously they'll lead you astray. I'll most definitely agree with you that your assumptions and jabs are most definitely silly for a grown up man.
Republicans are not for complete deregulation. Democrats are not for
full regulation. What we need is smart regulation. The regulation
should be in place to prevent the worst of the worst from happening
without getting in the way at other times. They shouldn't be narrow
corridors that block all but the sunniest of sunny day scenarios.
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Let's not start that again, see my answer above, ASSUMPTIONS, we can adjust. PROPOSE, not disqualify, that is easy.
It's obviously not easy for you. You are the one making broad stroke assumptions to paint the picture you want to see. You want everything to be black and white. That instantly closes all doors to discussion since that's not real life. I said we need both sides to solve this problem, which is proposing the path to a solution. Every post you make is about beating down the currently administraion (some, deservedly so) or any candidate that isn't Obama and then you attempt to say it's looking at things "fairly". I admit I'm biased against Obama because of his policies, voting record, inexperience and attitude, but you spout off trying to make everyone believe you aren't biased. It's cool. Everyone is biased about one thing or another, but least be man enough to admit it and not hide behind some facade.
As far as the candidates, I'd trust McCain to be more bipartisan when
it came to getting economic advice than I would Obama, and that's what
I think it will take to solve this crisis. If anyone thinks that one
party is going to solve this problem by doing things their way without
the other party, then they are being naive at best.
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bully disqualification do not affect me. It is OBVIOUS that one party
cannot come up with the solutions (did you read what I said? BUSH is
reunited not only with the Rich Club (G7), but also with the poor Club
(G20)) The question is, the PRESIDENT will point the ones in the table
to make the negotiation, and NAIVE is to think that Good'old Maverick
McCain will decide alone and will shoose whoever he wants, if it were
that way he would have certainly not have choseen the sewer tactics
that putted him out of the game in 2000.
Bully disqualifications? Do you even understand the words you're using? My favorite part above is when you say "The question is, the PRESIDENT will point the ones in the table
to make the negotiation" as if that's not exactly what I said when I said "I'd trust McCain to be more bipartisan when it came to getting economic advice than I would Obama". Now you are talking in circles and trying to make a point I already made.
Scott, if you want debate, let's debate, if you are here just to bully
and play "who wins the discussion", then I will not waste my time. I
like debating and I like when people have OPEN minds to challenge their
beliefes
Marcio, based on your response to my reply, it's pretty obvious you have no desire to comprehend, discuss or debate anything.anything. What you meant to say is you like debating as long as the other person agrees with you. Your mind is more closed than Ann Coulter's.
Edited by Scott Richards on 12 October 2008 at 11:59am
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Marcio Ferreira
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| Posted: 12 October 2008 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | 4
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Scott
Argumentum ad hominem
Fallacia non causae ut causae
Mutatio controversie
retorsio argumenti
Unusquisque mavult credere quam judiciare
I know all these games, as I said before, won't work with me, and you are not as smart as you think you are.
Dico ego, tu dicis, se denique dixit et ille:
Dictaque post toties, nil nisi dicta vides.
All the best!
Edited by Marcio Ferreira on 12 October 2008 at 12:29pm
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Michael Retour
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Credit default swaps are just one "leg" of the derivatives monster eating away at world economies.
I don't hear either candidate talking about them either.
All of the derivatives could just be canceled. Right now, the US is committed to defending the derivatives vs. the population.
I doubt either Obama or McCain understand as the people that use them don't even understand them.
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Bruce Buchanan
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The hits keep coming - Ayers never tortured nor murdered anyone. Bad logic. Bad comparison.
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Well, technically he didn't murder anyone -- but certainly not for lack of trying. I don't think he should get brownie points for being a poorly-skilled terrorist.
And considering Ayers never 1. was punished for his violent crimes and 2. never has made any atonement or even apologized for what he did (in fact, he's said he wishes they had committed more acts of terrorism), I'm not sure he really "turned his life around." He just stopped doing things that could get him arrested.
Honestly, you Obama guys are losing credibility by defending this creep. Obama himself has condemned Ayers and his crimes -- why can't you?
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Scott Richards
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Marcio,
LOL. Hurts when you get caught, doesn't it?
Dodge and avoid looks good on you.
All the best!
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Marcio Ferreira
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Scott,
Go read more Schopenhauer, I do not have time for games.
per fas et per nefas suits you better.
Cheers,
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Scott Richards
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As I said. Dodge and avoid looks good on you.
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Jodi Moisan
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Honestly, you Obama guys are losing credibility by defending this creep. Obama himself has condemned Ayers and his crimes -- why can't you?
I do not believe you will find one post where any of us Obama guys defend what he did. In fact we have said he was wrong for his past actions. What we are saying is, he has changed his life around, got active in his community to make it better. Hell the prosecutor in the weatherman case said Ayers should not be judged now, on past crimes.
I'm not sure he really "turned his life around." He just stopped doing things that could get him arrested.
Bruce you want to see a demon where there isn't one and people are looking at his minor connection to Obama as a way to demonize Obama. It's wrong and dangerous and after 9/11 and all that we as a country have had to endure, to throw around the terrorist label is reckless and dangerous.
Or are you one of those that would yell at a McCain/Palin event "traitor" "execute him" when Obama's name is mentioned?
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 12 October 2008 at 2:14pm
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Marcio Ferreira
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Bruce,
Obama was 8 years old when Ayers committed crimes.
I do not see anyone defending Ayers, stating facts, like Ayers never tortured nor murdered anyone, is not an example of defense of his acts or ideas.
Now, say that Obama is involved with terrorists is not only ridiculous, is false. Ayers is a respected professor at a University.
I do not support violence as a rightful mean to achieve an objective, therefore I do not support Ayers acts 40 years ago. President George Bush invaded Iraq under false pretenses, using violence against the international law, killing inocent civilians in Iraq, and calling the rightful owners of that country "insurgents". That is sick and that is why United States is hated by many people all around the world.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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They were yelling those things when Ayers name was mentioned.
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