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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 14 October 2008 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 1  

By the way - for those of you who enjoy a chuckle - here's FARK's best headline of the day:

AFL-CIO mailer says Obama will protect jobs and guns, will change the course of mighty rivers with his bare hands, leap tall buildings, return Scott Bakula to his rightful place in time

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Posted: 14 October 2008 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 2  

Jodi, this annoys the hell out of me every time you say it

Scott where has she said she did not agree with her Church or pastor on this issue.

To my Knowledge I don't believe I have said that much at all, many others have put it on here, I do believe you are lumping me into all of those. I do know the Alaskan Supreme Court had to force her to sign into law giving the same rights to people who are gay. From that fact I can't stand her.

I have no disagreement about book banning being repulsive.  I just wish people would do a little research into something before making blanket comments like "Palin wants to ban books".

I have looked up the information and if you want to give Palin an out by saying "Gee it was an over zealous reporter trying to make a name for himself." have at it,but I don't doubt for one minute she wanted to remove certain books from the library and fired someone because they didn't do what she wanted. Just as she did in trooperate. You don't go in and say "Hey there are some offense books near the kids section can you move them?" then fire the person, makes no sense.

Oops.  Turns out McCain was ok to hang with ACORN

I think Bill Clinton took him to the meeting, because doesn't everything the republicans do that is bad,somehow become Clintons fault. LOL

What if the citizen is concerned about children having access to adult content? Do you still pat them on the head and put them on the bus?

A library card grants access to the library.  The entire library is available to any citizen with a card. Policing whether the material is appropriate for their children is the responsibilty of the parent.

Amen! I do not think for one minute a library is going to display porn in the kids section, weak defense for removing a book..



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Jodi, this annoys the hell out of me every time you say it

Scott where has she said she did not agree with her Church or pastor on this issue.

Jodi, I was honestly expecting that you would have read what you wrote and realized you made a mistake.  The last thing I expected was you to defend the remark, especially in the manner you did

Are you saying you are a proponent of guilty until proven innocent?  So, in the interest of being fair, that any bad thing anyone involved with Obama does is also attributed to Obama unless he specifically says he disagrees?  If so, that opens a huge can of worms.  Is that really what you are trying to say?

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Scott I thought Rev. Wright was wrong on some of  what he said, I wanted Obama to disagree with it and address it, which he did and I respected him for it. In fact it was the one campaign piece I kept, it addressed race in a thought out way, that convinced me I had made the right choice.

Palin has not done that. That along with what I mentioned before about the Alaskan Supreme Court forcing her to sign into law the will of the people concerning gay rights, makes me feel she does not disagree with the belief of her church.

Are you OK with her being forced to sign something into law making gay rights protected?

If I went to a church that preached that being gay could be prayed away, I would distance myself from that church by making a public statement.

I said:

"Palin didn't like the course so she quit that college and went to another, several times"

Several on here jumped on me saying this is some kind of anti-get-your-degree-when-you-can statement, not so, the statement is from an article I read that talked about how she went to one school for like 5 weeks hated the course and quit. She just seems to be all over the place on her path to the white house. I admire anyone that works hard and completes their education, no matter how long it takes.

 



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Posted: 14 October 2008 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | 5  

Does the actions of an associate color what a candidate is all about, even if it happened briefly a long time ago? Well Scott, that's certainly what Palin and a few dozen attack ads seem to viciously allude to.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/bush-strategist-mcc ain-kn_n_134570.html
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Jason Czeskleba
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Regarding college experience, I think that in general a person who was an exceptional college student would be more likely to become a good President than someone who was a poor-to-mediocre student.  Certainly there many (hundreds, perhaps) other factors which are far more relevant, though.  I think the reason people have glommed onto Palin's college story is that it seems to fit with what we've seen of her elsewhere... someone who is not particularly well-informed nor particularly intellectually curious.    
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Jason thank you for expressing what I was trying to say, in a far better way.

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Regarding Palin's qualifications:  I grant you, as Gov, you are more aptly suited to running things than a member of the Senate, who governs in a Parlimentary style.

Having said that, I think it goes beyond line items on a government job resume.  (Surely McCain supporters don't believe that Palin is more qualified than McCain to be President?  Or do they?  I haven't heard that arguement yet.)  I suggest that a lifetime of experience, of various roles of leadership - these are the qualifications that I think of when I support Obama for President.

I'd even half-heartedly suggest that McCain is, by those standards, pretty expereinced; though when I, personally, compare the lives of Obama and McCain, I find that, again, I'm much more satisfied with Obama's life than McCain's, but I suppose one could argue that either way.

But, getting more to the point of Palin and her experience; sure, she was mayor of a small town, and then Gov of a State that has a smaller population than the city of San Francisco (does that mean Gavin Newsom is more qualified to be President than her?  Diane Feinstein?  Art Agnos?  Frank Jordan?  Willie Brown?) - and it's not a job where, and I'm working off reports here - I don't live in Alaska) she's had to make a lot of hard decisions, other than how to get her lobbiests to get bigger earmarks for her state, and how to divvy up the Big Oil welfare that her state subsides on.

I get that I'm being hard on her - but surely, even a Palin supporter can see the folly of this arguement.  The tit-for-tat?  Like - she ran a state, so therefore she's more qualified than McCain or Obama!  But less qualified than Gavin Newsom!  Or Antonio Villaraigosa!  You see?  That's a game that's good for a quick jab against Obama but falls apart when you really start applying rules to it.

And granted - I get my news from various sources that don't have the word FOX in front of them, so it's possible I've missed some of her accomplishments as Gov - if any Palin supporters out there can provide a list, and be open to it being fact-checked, I'd be happy to see it. 

But even if we can establish that she did a passable job managing a sparsely populated state that gets by on Big Oil welfare, I still am bothered by her personally - I find her beliefs to be insulting to the vast multitude that we call America.  I want a President who is intellegent and wise and open to ideas, and, yes, yes, when I've said this in the past, the usual gang of nuts goes "then why you supporting Obama?  wink wink wink" so, you know, I beat you to it, so give it a rest.  But that's exactly why I'm supporting Obama, why I'm lukewarm on McCain and why I'm strongly against Palin.

I don't think her interviews with Couric and Gibson are the result of cheap gotcha journalism; I think quite the opposite - that's clearly her.  She can not put together ideas into clear thoughts.  She did well at the convention because she worked off a prepared script.  She did well at the debate because she avoided the questions and gave prepared rhetoric from cue cards that she was visibly holding at the podium.  (As was Biden - don't get me wrong - she wasn't cheating - obviously they were allowed, but her answers were canned and unbelieveable)

When I say she's not qualified, I'm not ignoring her two years as Gov of Alaska - I'm saying that as a person - granted, a person I've been familiar with for a month now - but as a person, she is unqualified to be holding any important office. 

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 Geoff Gibson wrote:
I felt Ifill did a TERRIBLE job by not asking any real follow up questions.  Watching the debate I wondered if she was even listening to the candidates responses.


Wasn't Ifill forbidden by the rules of the debate to ask follow-up questions?
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Posted: 14 October 2008 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | 11  

Wanna wear that Obama t-shirt to the polls? Well go right ahead.....unless you live in Virginia.....

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=596&sid=1497017

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According to CNN, the son of the late arch-conservative William F Buckley endorsed Obama. He then resigned from the National Review, a magazine his father founded. It sounds like he's pretty much fed up with what's become of the entire Republican party, not just McCain.


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