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Scott Richards
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Posted: 15 October 2008 at 12:25pm | IP Logged | 1  

Red Sox?? Oh yeah, that team that Tampa is wailing on these days.

Tampa's going all the way!

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Those yard sign pictures reminded me of the oddest thing.

Last weekend when I was driving there was a yard that had a McCain/Palin and an Obama Hope sign in the yard.  I'm thinking maybe the husband and wife are having some issues, heh.

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Geoff thank you for seeing what I was trying to say

No wonder people don't understand me half the time , good lord what was I thinking when I wrote that.

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"Geoff thank you for understanding what I was trying to express."

Last weekend when I was driving there was a yard that had a McCain/Palin and an Obama Hope sign in the yard.  I'm thinking maybe the husband and wife are having some issues, heh.

I bet they have really hot sex though, I always thought that is what keeps Carville and Matalin together. :0)

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Wonder if that applies to Arnie and his wife.
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They are updating this daily.  I think some will get a good laugh out of it.

http://www.palinaspresident.com/

Make sure you click around the office.

If you see Bambi behind the door, don't click again if you are squeemish, heh.

 



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Scott that was funny.
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Geoff, I did address it when I said:

Questioning someone's judgment over their association with someone is a completely different animal than lying about what they said.  It's perfectly acceptable to quesiton judgment.  It's not perfectly acceptable to lie.

Scott: I beg to differ -- you responded that its fair to question someone's judgment for their associations -- something with which I agree -- but Jodi's point (or if you don't believe that was her point -- my follow up question) was how do you not hold Palin as responsible for her associations as you do Obama?  Here is what I wrote:

If you hold Senator Obama accountable for his associations with Ayers or Wright should you not do the same with Palin and her association with a church that preached homosexuality can be "cured" through prayer?  Is that not an equally offensive position?  Does that not speak to her judgment?  The distinction which Jodi addressed and you have not responded to is that Senator Obama specifically and categorically stated that the comments made by Wright were not his beliefs.  You as a listener are entitled to believe or not believe him on that statement.  Has Governor Palin specifically and categorically denounced the insane (and offensive) idea that homosexuality can be prayed away?  I have not seen that she has.  Consequently, I, or Jodi, or you, could draw the inference that she believes it to be the case.  If the associations that Senator Obama has can be criticized than so can Governor Palin's. (Emphasis mine)

So I reiterate --  do you hold Governor Palin's judgment for associating with a church that is lead by pastors who believe and teach homosexuality is a choice and can be prayed away against her in the same fashion you hold Obama's association with Wright's church against him?  Is that evidence of poor judgment on her part?*

*Of course, if you agree with such teachings, as many do, you may think its evidence of acceptable judgment on her part.  We don't know what she thinks on this issue as she has not (to my knowledge at least) addressed it.  So we can only make assumptions based on her association with the Church. 

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Questioning someone's judgment over their association with someone is a completely different animal than lying about what they said.  It's perfectly acceptable to quesiton judgment.  It's not perfectly acceptable to lie.

Scott: I beg to differ -- you responded that its fair to question someone's judgment for their associations -- something with which I agree -- but Jodi's point (or if you don't believe that was her point -- my follow up question) was how do you not hold Palin as responsible for her associations as you do Obama? 

Geoff, I thought was pretty clear in my past posts when I said I didn't like or agree with Palin.  If I had defended her association with her pastor, I could see your point, but I haven't.  What I did was point out an untruth.  Why do you make the assumption that I don't hold Palin responsible for her associations?  That falls under where I said it was okay to question someone's judgment based on their associations.

So I addressed the questions from the tangent that were asked but never once was there ever an admission of lying or mispeaking.  I was beginning to think Jodi should run for office because she was very, very good at not answering the question and instead going off on whatever tangent she felt more comfortable with like any politician.

So now I've answered twice but I'm still waiting for the original issue to be addressed.



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Scott  I could excuse her attending a church like that, if she said what the preacher said concerning being gay, was wrong. The bigger issue is,  she was forced to sign equal rights for gay couples into law. She tried to put her personal belief over the will of those she was voted in to serve.  So by that action and not saying the preacher was wrong I believe she feels the same way. Because her action is a concrete way to know how she feels on the issue.
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Geoff, I thought was pretty clear in my past posts when I said I didn't like or agree with Palin.  If I had defended her association with her pastor, I could see your point, but I haven't.  Why do you make the assumption that I don't hold Palin responsible for her associations?  That falls under where I said it was okay to question someone's judgment based on their associations.

I didn't get that from your posts.  I've seen you mention Obama's associations but nothing about Palin's.  If it was my misreading your posts -- mea culpa --- but my assumption was based on the fact I've not noticed you criticizing her in the same fashion you have Obama.  This is a fast moving thread so its possible I missed it, its equally possible I don't remember it.  It does, however, seem (to me at least) inconsistent that you return to questioning Obama's "poor judgment" when he's explained his associations but you don't hammer Palin in the same fashion when she hasn't explained her associations.  So that could be a root of my misunderstanding your point.  It looked to me like you weren't calling strikes the same for each side -- thats was and is my point.  If I'm wrong, my bad.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 11  

she was forced to sign equal rights for gay couples into law.

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How can any governor be forced to sign a bill into law?

I'm not familiar with Alaska's state Constitution, but in every other state I'm familiar with, the Governor can veto a piece of legislation by refusing to sign it. Then, it goes back to the Legislature, who can override that veto.

But there's no such thing as forcing a governor to sign any piece of legislation. The State Legislature can't tell the Governor what to do and vice-versa. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me.

 

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I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable can address this Bruce but hey thats never stopped me in the past!  Anyway, as I understood the legislature acted on the legislation which Palin opposed.  When it was presented to her to sign she noted her opposition but signed it because she believed that a veto would be overridden.  Thats how she was "forced."  Again as I understand it -- I could be wrong. 
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