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Marcio Ferreira
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| Posted: 16 October 2008 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | 1
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Scott says:
I'm more disturbed that you referred to someone as a peasant.
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LOL. Forgive me Scott, that was my BAD english, I played so many video games in my life and peasant sounded appropriate, but when I saw your post I looked for the meaning of the word and I cannot stop laughing, I apologized, I should have said person.
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Mike O'Brien
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As Miller noted earlier - here's another quip from tonight's dinner - Obama says:
"Contrary to the rumors you have heard, I was not born in a manger. I was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to save the planet Earth,"
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Michael Roberts
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McCain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSmQqw65Pg
Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SWQJWm6Tg
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Al Cook
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| Posted: 16 October 2008 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | 4
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Just watched them both.
Thought McCain was funny - really funny - and almost charming.
I've never liked him - truth to tell, I'd never paid any attention to him
before this campaign, and I'd always scratched my head over what
everyone here - Mike O'Brien included - must be on when they talked
about what a great guy McCain is.
He has unfailingly come across to me as nasty, angry, bitter, awkward and
about to explode with rage. He's seemed ugly throughout the campaign
to my eyes, and I had no idea of the almost mythical 'nice, respectable'
John McCain that everyone talked about as having existed previously.
If that John McCain ever did exist, he may have peeked out again tonight.
Bravo Mr. McCain, both for making me laugh, and for making me think
that my friends on this board who have said nice things about you are
possibly not as crazy as they've seemed saying so.
Obama? I liked watching him during McCain's speech. Unguarded and
genuinely amused. That was charming on his part.
Then he took the podium.
While there were some good lines, overall I thought his speech was
awkward and overly self-referential. The supposed-to-be-
self-deprecatory stuff you know is going to be all over Fox
tomorrow and played straight as "Barack calls himself savoiur of the
world". I thought it was a bad choice, and I got the impression that he
did too - he lacked his usual supreme comfort and ease at the podium.
Some of his stuff was funny. And some of it was just obviously supposed
to be.
I don't think he blew it, mind you. Just that neither his material nor his
presentation was as good as McCain's. It's rare that I've seen him
outshone.
I think if he had spoken first it would have seemed quite different - that
he was funny and good, and McCain was even better. Instead, he seemed
a little less successful than he really was.
Will any of this make a difference? No, seriously - let me know. I have no
idea what this dinner is or what role it plays in a presidential election.
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Rich Rice
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The Deceitful, Duplicitous Sham that is the Republican Party:
Joe the plumber? He doesn't own a business making over 250,000. He falls into a tax bracket where he would BENEFIT from Obama's tax plan... He's a registered republican... And more:
It turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who's Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating's son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
Hmmmmm....
So he is a registered Republican, related to a Republican donor. He does not own a business making 250,000 dollars. He would actually benefit from Obama's tax plan... AND he owes back taxes.
And yet, in this topsy turvy, sham of a world Republicans like to live under, he represents the 'common man' (Read: WHITE male voter), who would be hurt by
Hussein's dastardly tax proposals.
The clown is a plant. And they are running a feckless, vapid campaign.
But it fits... we've seen as much for 8 yrs. running. Why stop now when you're so good at it???
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Jodi Moisan
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Al I thought the same way you did, McCain was funny, I told the kid that is living with us, that was one side of McCain I remember, he was shocked, that McCain could come across like a real person, instead of the bitter angry guy.
Now did anyone see McCain on Letterman, man that was a train wreck for McCain. He told Letterman that Palin would come on, but after tonight, I would be completely shocked to see it happen.
I didn't realize McCain had such mad drumming skillz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPNWT6NxMY&eurl=http://w ww.somethingelsetv.net/forum/index.php?topic=1490.msg48921;t opicseen
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 16 October 2008 at 11:06pm
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Vinny Valenti
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Letterman came off like too much of an asshole here. Sure, grill McCain on his campaign statements and policies, but big friggin' deal if he bailed on an appearance to do an interview with Katie Couric. He really went off on Palin's lack of experience (which doesn't really bother me that he did), but somehow I doubt he raised the same point to Obama when he appeared on his show. Letterman came off like the cranky old man (and not McCain for once!)
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Mike O'Brien
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The clown is a plant. And they are running a feckless, vapid campaign.
But it fits... we've seen as much for 8 yrs. running. Why stop now when you're so good at it???
Rich perfectly encapsulates why I'm so frustrated after the debate - Obama needs to put an end to this NOW.
It's been building all week on right wing radio - all this talk about how Obama's some Socialist boogey man gonna come take away your money and turn us into the USSA - but it's a load of bullshit.
As a single tax-payer Joe the Asshat would benefit from Obama AND as a small business owner, Joe the Asshat would benefit from Obama's small business tax credits.
I'm dead serious when I say Obama needs to step up and end this before it ends his campaign.
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Joe Zhang
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It comes full circle for McCain. Joe the Plumber turns out to be a Keating surrogate. With friends like these ...
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Joe Zhang
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Googling Robert Wurzelbacher, this is the first thing that popped up. From December of 1993:
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Jason Czeskleba
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When I read in the above post that Joe and Robert Wurzelbacher are "close relatives" that set off my urban legend radar. Why would someone say "close relatives" instead of stipulating the specific relationship they have? That's the kind of vagueness you typically see in urban legends.
As near as I can discern from some quick research, no one has as yet offered any proof that Joe Wurzelbacher and and Keating's son-in-law Robert Wurzelbacher are related. It's merely speculation based on their shared last name. A quick glance at an online phone listing for Ohio shows that the name is not that uncommon in the state. Certainly not so uncommon that we can conclude anyone with that name must be closely related (it's not like they are Czesklebas, for god's sake).
Also, no evidence has yet been offered that the Robert Wurzelbacher who lives in Milford Ohio and donates to Republicans is the same one who is Keating's son-in-law.
This speculation seems to have originated on dailykos, where it is identified as mere speculation. But like all urban legends, it's spread and the fact that it's only speculation has been deleted from many of the places it's getting reposted. Fact checking... a lost art in the internet age. Took me like five minutes. Sad.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 17 October 2008 at 12:51am
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Jason Czeskleba
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
| "Contrary to the rumors you have heard, I was not born in a manger. I
was actually born on Krypton and sent here by my father, Jor-el, to
save the planet Earth," |
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I'm glad that he pronounced both Krypton and Jor-El correctly.
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