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Michael Huber
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 1  

Yeah me too, for instance, I'm real interested in who Russia and Iran want to be  the next U.S. president...
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 2  


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I'm real interested in who Russia and Iran want to be  the next U.S. president...

Well, that's hardly "the world", but I'd feel better if those nation's leaders "liked" our president rather than despised him.

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | 3  

Obviously, we could be doing -- and need to be doing -- a better job in relating to our allies (and potential allies). Definitely some bridge-building needs to be done there.

But as far as Iran goes, the current regime is never going to like us or our president, no matter who it is. The best we can hope for with Iran and other hostile countries is to garner their respect and find some common ground we can all peacefully live with. But given that Iran is actively supporting anti-Western terrorist groups, dealing with Tehran will require a steady, firm hand at the wheel.

As for Russia, Putin & co. have made it quite clear they want little to do with the West. They're going to do what they want to do, whether anyone else likes it or not. I don't see any U.S. president being able to make much headway there.



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See, I don't take the viewpoint that the U.S. President is the Leader of the Free World. It's both a dangerous and arrogant viewpoint to take. And I certainly don't think other countries should have a say in our elections, or vice versa.

The way I see it, we're a country "floating" on the globe just like all of the others. And the job of a President is to put his/her country first, (at the expense of all others, if neccessary), because if they don't, then who the heck will? The president of some other country? I don't think so.

Yes, at this point in history we are the wealthiest nation with the strongest military, and so others view us through that lens, but we can't afford to view ourselves through that lens.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 5  

"See, I don't take the viewpoint that the U.S. President is the Leader of the
Free World. It's both a dangerous and arrogant viewpoint to take. "

I agree with this one hundred per cent, Mark.

But many Americans have exactly that viewpoint. Worst of all, it's been the
official viewpoint of a number of White House administrations.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 6  

Oh Al, you anti-american! How dare you say this things!
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | 7  

 Bruce Buchanan wrote:

Todd, I'll defer to Michael Myers, who in January said it better than I could:

"...the Electoral College system is designed to tamp down the notion of unchecked influence of large clusters of the national body politic and to force candidates for the executive to at least voice an understanding of the differing interests and concerns of our entire, national body politic."

The irony though is that the Electoral College does just the opposite, creating a small class of voters (the "swing state" voters) whose votes carry a hugely disproportionate amount of influence on the outcome of the election.   And it allows candidates to basically ignore the issues and concerns of states where there is a clear frontrunner with a commanding lead.  This does not seem right and I doubt it was what the founding fathers intended when they created the system.  The amount of swing states and which states they are varies, but in every election there are states whose votes matter "more" than others to the outcome of the election.

The old joke about the NBA is that since most games are very close and the lead changes rapidly, they could save time by giving both teams 100 points and just having them play for ten minutes.  In most US Presidential elections the same thing is true... they could just spot each candidate 200 electoral votes and then let the swing states decide it.

The Electoral College also gives a unfairly disproportionate edge to people in smaller states, since the amount of electors each state has is based on, but not directly proportional to, the population of the state.   Your vote literally counts for more electoral votes if you are from a smaller state.

It is an antiquated system originally designed to prevent the public from directly electing the President.  I don't think anyone supports that notion anymore, and the disproportionate voter representation that emerges as a byproduct of the system is a serious flaw.




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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 8  

Here is an article articulating the ways that Palin has deviated from the McCain campaign.  The article questions whether the moves are made to preserve her shot for the big chair in 2012.  Jodi, before clicking the link have a big glass of wine or a sedative -- things could get loud in your house!

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 9  

I really don't think Palin will be running for anything after this.  I followed what some of you noted over the last few pages about the huge fundie chunk of the Republican party and how they can't afford to lose 20% of their constituancy... but I don't agree.  I think Bush did terrible damage to the Republican party, and I think Palin is kind of the last nail in that coffin.

I grant you - it's how Bush was able to barely squeek out a win each election - by bringing the fundies to the polls - but I don't think that's all the GOP has going for it.  Remember - having the fundies on board is a new twist, in the greater historical picture. 

Things change with the parties - I've noted this in the thread a few times.  A Lincoln Republican is different from a T Roosevelt Republican is different from a Eisenhower Republican is different from a Regan Republican is different from a Fundie Neocon. 

I think that the Karl Roves out there see the value in that sort of campaigning - the morality war and the idea that only Republicans have god and all that - but it's also what's turning a lot of people away from the Republican party.    I think if the Republicans are smart they'll start over.  They'll drop the pretense of morality and faith and focus on what's important. 

At least, that's how I see it - and how I want it, to be honest.  I think having fundies in the government is just as bad as having the left-wing extremists in there.  Tree hugging commie pinkos.

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | 10  

Tree hugging commie pinkos.
Hey! Some of those guys are my friends!!!!!
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | 11  

Whether Palin has a future or not, I'm hoping this will create a Renaissance in the GOP.  I'm a Republican, and the words of another famous conservative, "I didn't leave my party, my party left me."

That said, as a McCain supporter from years gone by, I appreciate how this election cycle has inspired me to take inventory of what I support politically, fiscally and socially ... and not just be asleep at the wheel.  It's easy to get lost in the noise of one's life and let introspection fall to the bottom of one's to-do list.

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Posted: 23 October 2008 at 2:00am | IP Logged | 12  

I was surfing the Web during my lunch break today and accidentally stumbled upon a right-leaning website that was making hay over some poll they'd discovered, the results of which the poll-takers admitted they'd accidentally conflated Obama's numbers, and that, at least for this poll, the margin of difference between Obama and McCain was well within the margin of error by three or four points.

The website then "crunched" some numbers of it's own and - and - well...if this poll had incorrectly put Obama ahead of McCain...well, then...it's possible (nay, likely!) that all of the other polls showing the Democratic candidate as well ahead of his Republican rival were likely also mistaken! So, take heart Republicans. This 'Obama ahead in the polls" nonsense is nothing to worry about. Right. Right?

Positively delusional.






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