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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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| Posted: 23 October 2008 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 1
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It's clearly and obviously republican spin - as noted - mickey mouse and donald duck were "registered" to vote because the guys registering people to vote are paid by the registration - obviously there are people abusing that aspect to make a few bucks, but that's where it ends. It does not effect who votes in any way.
Where it's political spin is that Barack Obama has worked in association with Acorn, and thus, if it's made to look as if they are part of some sort of systematic voter fraud, they hope they can attach that charge to Obama.
In turn, they can get people riled up about a false boogeyman of voter fraud and get tough on who votes, thus being able to deny people the right to vote because they have something suspicious about them.
Which, as we saw in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 and we're already seeing now in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, etc... usually means they're some sort of demographic that votes Democratic.
That's the real voter fraud. Disenfranchising legitimate voters.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Let me be clear - just to avoid the obvious *But 48 years ago dead people voted in Chicago" boo-hooing that always comes up from people who don't boo hoo "This year legitimate voters are being denied their right to vote" - it does fall on the State to verify that newly registered voters are who and what they say they are.
That does not require to make sweeping judgements whereby people with similar names to felons or people whose signature isn't a perfect match, or people who are homeless, etc.
There is clearly a correct and incorrect way to do this.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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How is it not better that every individual American's vote for President be
tallied and the choice for President be decided on the very direct basis of
which candidate received more votes?
The only thing I can think of is you could end up with a President that 90% of the people didn't vote for? What if the candidate with the highest number of votes only got 10% of the total votes? Would it be right for that candidate to become President when 90% didn't want them? The Electoral College forces it so the winner has to have greater than 50% of the Electoral votes. But, does that matter?
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Barack Obama has worked in association with Acorn
And the Department of Justice. He was an attorney working for Acorn and working with DOJ. Just to clarify Mike's point. Anyway, even if one were to assume, arguendo, that ACORN were corrupt it does not follow that their attorneys were. I do not believe at anytime Obama represented ACORN or any ACORN employees in any civil or criminal fraud actions (but I could be wrong about that).
There is clearly a correct and incorrect way to do this.
I know in the Great State of New Jersey one who is registering late or has some registration issue may appear before a Superior Court Judge to get it straightened out. I don't recall the mechanics of it though, sorry!
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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arguendo
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There's that fag talk again...
(Obligatory Idiocracy reference whenever I learn a new word)
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Scott Richards wrote:
The only thing I can think of is you could end up
with a President that 90% of the people didn't vote for? What if the
candidate with the highest number of votes only got 10% of the total
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A mathematical possibility, I suppose, so long as there are about a
thousand different names on the list of people running for President.
But in the reality of the current U.S. political system, there will be two
candidates who should easily garner 90% of the vote between the two of
them. The individual voting citizens will very likely have voted for one of
them by a measurable margin over the other.
My question still is; how is it not better just to let those individual citizens
decide that on the basis of a strict count of their votes alone?
Edited by Al Cook on 23 October 2008 at 1:59pm
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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There is clearly a correct and incorrect way to do this
I don't know why they don't just mandate, nationwide, a photo ID to actually vote. Registration should be cut off at whatever date is necessary to be able to verify the validity of the registration. Once registered it should just require a government issued photo ID to vote. Anyone can get a driver's license or, if they don't drive, a non-drivers state ID card.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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I had to show a photo ID to vote in the Canadian Federal Election held last
week.
No biggie.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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I used to be opposed to having an ID, since it seemed to exclude the poor - like, what if you couldn't afford the $20 it takes you to get a state ID or something? (Hate to admit it, but when I was younger, I was that poor)
But I think it's a good idea now - especially if there's some way to ... you know... have an option where poor people can get one, too - by whatever means. (ie - free or subsidized for those who fall on the Federal Poverty list or soemthing.)
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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I don't know why they don't just mandate, nationwide, a photo ID to actually vote. Registration should be cut off at whatever date is necessary to be able to verify the validity of the registration. Once registered it should just require a government issued photo ID to vote. Anyone can get a driver's license or, if they don't drive, a non-drivers state ID card.
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That wouldn't work because it makes too much sense!
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Subsidized ID's? Mike, you filthy socialist pinko commie tree-hugging
degenerate.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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(Or is that socialist pinko commie degenerate-hugging tree filth? I can
never keep it straight.)
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