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Jodi Moisan
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Well said Wayde!
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Marcio Ferreira
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| Posted: 26 October 2008 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 2
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But if you want to distrust or dislike Barack Obama because of what
Bill Ayers (or anyone else) did, then I'm going to call into question
YOUR judgment, because that's precisely the kind of thinking that
people like Joseph McCarthy utilized to destroy innocent people's
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But Wayde, I am sure that will be a lot of people to stand for what Joseph McCarthy did.
I just think that it is a dangerous precendence to bring up something done 40 years ago to judge someone that is now a public servant (and a good one). Say that Ayers IS a terrorist and not that he WAS a terrorist 40 years ago is not only SICK, is dangerous. To use the press and the political moment to judge someone like Ayers is something that I could expect to happen in any facist state, not a democracy like United States of America.
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Thom Price
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| Posted: 26 October 2008 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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radical bomber who bombed public buildings and monuments
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And in what world does that not equate to a terrorist?
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Marcio Ferreira
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radical bomber who bombed public buildings and monuments
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And in what world does that not equate to a terrorist?
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Are you talking about GWB injustified attack on Iraq? Yeah, that was a shame! Destroyed unrecoverable monuments in Bagdah.
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Scott Richards
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| Posted: 26 October 2008 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 5
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radical bomber who bombed public buildings and monuments
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And in what world does that not equate to a terrorist? In an Obamanation
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Jeff Gillmer
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To me, here's why the Ayers issue is important. When first asked about his association with Ayers, Obama said something along the lines of "he's just a guy in the neighborhood". OK, good enough.
Then it was disclosed that Ayers had a fundraiser/coming out party for Obama in his house. This is still "just a guy in the neighborhood"?. Oooookay.
Next we learned that Ayers and Obama served on boards together giving out millions of dollars. When you work closely with someone, he's not "just a guy in the neighborhood".
Why the distortions. Ayres and Obama worked together on the Annenberg Project. If Obama would have come out at the beginning and just said that, it would be a total non-issue. But all the things that have been uncovered leads some people to think that Obama is hiding something. The question that remains is "why?"
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Matt Reed
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Don't paint everyone who supports Obama that way, Scott. Be specific. It may come as a shock, but you can support Obama without calling into question his character simply because he worked with Ayers as one of many people trying to improve the community. In any event, this is one Obama supporter who would call Ayers a domestic terrorist. Your comment is directed to a quote by Knut, who's not even an US citizen and won't be voting in this election. Not that it makes his comments any less valid, but he's not a part of some "Obomanation".
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Marcio Ferreira
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Hey, I finally got it, Obama is trying to be President to help his terrorist friend Ayers to blow-up the white house! in protest for the Vietnam war!
And Ayers cover-up as public servant all these years is just a cover up!
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Matt Reed
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Jeff Gilmer wrote:
| But all the things that have been uncovered leads some people to think that Obama is hiding something. The question that remains is "why?" |
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Not defending the obfuscation, but you're in the minority in your party if you think most Republicans, especially those ready to skewer, twist, and distort any association no matter how small, would have just said "OK fine". The mere mention of Ayers is enough to send Obama detractors into tizzy fits of glee no matter if he would have come out right away with his specific association or, as he did, discussed it later.
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Gene Best
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For me, it's simple ...
If McCain says,"We need to know the full extent of the [Obama/Ayers] relationship," and McCain isn't satisfied with Obama's answer, than it falls upon McCain to "expose" him.
If it's as big a deal as the McCain Campaign is suggesting - they're effectively betting the house on this strategy - then McCain owes it to the country to tell us what HE knows about the relationship that Obama isn't being forthright about. (Y'know, to save the country from a guy "who pals around with terrorists" becoming our president.)
Either McCain has "the truth" and, for some reason, isn't telling ... or this Ayers thing is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
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Gene Best
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Wow. My grammer sucks when I type fast.
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Matt Reed
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Not shocking I'm sure, but my vote is for "smoke and mirrors".
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