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William McCormick
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What exactly is hateful about the dying child hoax? Stupid and disgusting, yes. But I don't see as it's hateful. Some idiot on the radio makes up a dying kid to make people steal McCain signs and you put it on the same level as some bitch making kids cry on Halloween because their parents are voting for Obama.
Tell me who got hurt by having someone steal a yard sign. I've had 3 of mine stolen and I'm doing just fine. But making kids cry....man that's cold.
That doesn't make what the radio station did right but I just don't see the comparison.
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Michael Roberts
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But still no comment on the dying child hoax. I guess for you it's only hateful if it's against your candidate?
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What about it? Morning radio show hosts were being dumbasses. That's so unprecedented. Why couldn't they follow the example of fine upstanding morning radio show hosts like Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony?
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Michael Huber
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Am I naive, or has this been the ugliest election in years? Forget sides, just in general. maybe I just never paid as close of attention and now am noticing things more, I just don't know.
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Joel Tesch
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I don't think this one is any worse than past elections. Maybe even a step up.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 02 November 2008 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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Look at Bush's campaign during 2000 and 2004. That was far dirtier than this election by either candidate. Just ask McCain. On second thought, don't. Seems he's conveniently forgotten.
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Joel Tesch
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Seems he's conveniently forgotten.
What do you mean? That he's running the same type campaign? I don't think so. No worse than Hillary ran against Obama from what I can see.
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Matt Reed
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He's using the same tactics that he blasted Bush for using in 2000. Maybe that's just him being "mavericky".
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Brian Talley
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Mark Waldman
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This election isn't even about McCain - McCain doesn't exist. Whatever he stood for, and whatever made him "mavericky" is long gone. He's an empty vessel and dangerous because he traded in his beliefs for a last effort to become President, and carry on the Bush regime 4 more years.
The guy from 2000 was a lot different than the grimacing jackass who has no content whatsoever now and just diverts people with slams on Obama's character. McCain once was a legitimate middle of the road choice who had opinions different from many of his Republican cohorts and was buried by the well-oiled (haha) Bush machine. His reputation was dragged through the mud and he was so maligned, he almost switched parties to run alongside Kerry in 2004 against Dubs.
After staying with his party, he sold whatever soul he had left and became a Bush puppet. Some maverick. Then he went against his own judgment and brought in a female Bush clone - dumb, overly religious and a perfect symbol of hate that the "base" could rally behind. Of course this backfired for a variety of reasons - one, Palin was exposed as a nitwit who couldn't discuss anything intelligently unless prepped, and forget going into an interview where she might be asked anything.
Two, the economy's utter collapse and a recession made change not only a nice campaign slogan, but necessary. It'd be interesting to hear if any Bush supporters exist anymore, and if so, what they say about the past 8 years. You would normally assume a candidate of the same party as the current President would boast of his party's great work during the current President's time in office, but McCain's forced to walking a tightrope since Bush ran the ship into the rocks in a way no President has in the past 70 years or more.
So now we wait until Tuesday, where trickery will rear its ugly head again, and the maverick and the floozy might get close, or even win! through deception and illegal activities. I'd like to see a President selected with around 20% of the popular vote. Well, actually I wouldn't. We need a new direction, and fast.
Last thing - I love how Palin's barking about socialism when her state enjoys the virtues of socialism quite liberally. Wealthier states sending her Alaska money to stay afloat. I also love how on Meet the Press when pushed McCain stammered about how the bailout isn't socialism exactly, it's helping people in need. haha, whatever, if Americans can't see through this flimsy baloney, we deserve what we get.
Vote Obama on 11-4.
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Paul Greer
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I had a great time at the Obama rally. It was a long wait but it was worth it. I lined up by 10:30 AM and it let out around 6:45PM. Springsteen performed around six songs and he really gave a impassioned speech in favor of Obama. While Obama didn't cover any new ground in his speech, it was still very passionate and at times funny. He asked how many in attendence made less than $250,000 and then told Springsteen to put his hand down. He made light of his critics by saying they only talk about him, because they have nothing to offer in support of their candidate that is different than the past eight years. I'd say there were between 30-40 thousand at the rally.
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Jodi Moisan
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Mark I like you!~
Paul didn't it make you feel good being there, when I went to see him, I felt like it was the best of this country, all ages, all races, men and woman standing united to try to make this a better country. There was no hate talk or nastiness. I was so uplifted I felt this is what being an American should feel like.
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Mike O'Brien
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I went to Madonna's show last night in Oakland - it was pretty much an Obama Rally - and it was awesome. The crowd went nuts when she showed her Obama clip and she begged us to go vote - for Obama and against the evil Prop 8 (Legalizing discrimination. In 2008. I know. What the FUCK, California? What the fuck.) - it was a good time and I bought a cool Madonna/Obama shirt - now I have a KISS/Obama shirt, a Devo/Obama shirt and this! Awesome!
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