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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | 1
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I thought you voted for the candidate who's all about unification, reconciliation, and reaching across party lines .
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Tom voted for McCain?!?
;)
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 04 November 2008 at 1:48pm
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 2
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Marcel Chenier wrote:
As an outside observer, the problems you Americans continue to have with the voting process seems farcical in the extreme.
Some folks are impressed with the audacity of political parties (such as the GOP) to manipulate and create extreme havoc for the democratic process so crassly and openly. Others are stunned into disbelief that it couldn't possibly be happening in "the ruler of the free world".
The fact that Americans haven't been literally taking it to the streets over this issue implies the majority have simply accepted the corruption of the system. It's truly dismaying to watch, especially during this time of hope and crisis in the US.
Waiting in line as a discouragement to vote is one thing, but stealing votes (from those fortunate enough to get that far) reduces the absolute value of the vote to a waste of time, freedom, and whatever hopes for democracy the average American may have had. The concept that one could cast a vote and have it stolen is literally vomit inducing. |
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What world are you living in?
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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Jason Czeskleba wrote:
| Careful, JB. You're going to provoke Michael Myers into writing another 2000-word post on why he thinks the Electoral College system is superior to direct election. |
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Even I couldn't stretch a rebuttal of John's circular reasoning to 2000 words. John's vote goes to directly determine the outcome of his states' slate of electors. It is this slate of electors which goes to directly determine the outcome of the 2008 Presidential Election in our republic. Period. Every vote counts, every vote matters...directly...to the outcome. With states like Ohio, Virgina, and even the outside shot at Pennsylvania in the balance, this election only serves to highlight that fact.
Hey, Jason, rather than making snide comments, why don't you try tro put your money where your mouth is? If you think you can effectively argue against any of the points I've previously offered, well then do it, boy. And, John's welcome to join you in the attempt. Otherwise, you're just whistling past the graveyard with bullshit like your above remark...
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 4
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Michael, I think Jason was trying to be funny, not snide. Just my opinion.
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 5
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In a city with a population approaching 700,000, it took a grand total of five minutes to have my name checked off on the rolls, slip my card into the machine, and place my votes.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 6
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Although I'm more inclined to agree with the pundits on MSNBC, my issue with FOX is that more often than not, they regurgitate conservative talking points and are essentially a political mouth piece, whereas MSNBC is certainly left-skewing but I never get the impression their pundits are not giving their actual, non-corporate-massaged views.
So you don't think the commentators on Fox believe what they say? Besides the report that Hammer linked to is really about an editorial decision -- which stories does a given organization emphasize and report. I'm not certain that political commentary is included in such an analysis.
Edited to change Bruce to "Hammer."
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 04 November 2008 at 1:56pm
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 7
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I told ya, Geoff - I'm the Blind Squirrel!
But you are right - I think this was more about the types of stories that get reported, rather than the editorial commentary.
That's one thing I learned from my 10 years in the news business. Journalists have a tremendous amount of influence in deciding which stories get covered and which stories get emphasized.
This really came home to me after I had written an article on a local school board meeting where several issues were covered. A competing paper covered the same meeting and if you read both stories, you would have no idea they came from the same meeting. And it's not that either one of us were right or wrong - just that we chose to write about completely different aspects of that meeting.
In this case, Fox is choosing stories that paint Republicans in a favorable light, while MSNBC is choosing stories that reflect favorably on the Democrats.
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | 8
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That should not happen in United States!!!!
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 9
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What shouldn't happen?
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 10
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Marcio:
Its people engaged in an election, many of whom having never felt a part of the political process before. It is a very, very good thing. Anyone in line before polls close will be able to vote.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 04 November 2008 at 2:08pm
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 11
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What world are you living in?
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THIS world.
No lines. So simple any illiterate can vote.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 November 2008 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 12
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Elections aren't run by Domino's Pizza. You don't have a guarantee to get to vote in 30 minutes or less.
As we have heard here, the time spent in line to vote varies greatly, depending on where you live and what time you vote.
Besides, people routinely wait in much longer lines to buy concert tickets or the newest video game. I do hope accomodations are being made for the elderly, but, like Geoff, I see this heavy turnout as a great thing.
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