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Craig Earl
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I recall from AF15 that the spider dies almost immediately after biting PP, but I remember seeing a re-telling of his origin where Peter treads on the spider to kill it after that pivotal moment.
That always seemed like a very un-Peter Parker like thing to do!
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John Byrne
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Yes, Stan described the bite as the spider’s dying action.
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Mark Haslett
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I treasure the story where Spider-Man is trapped under a ton of debris in a room filling with water and all he can do is reflect on his life.
When he musters what it takes to lift that debris and go on living, I figure THAT is how strong he is-- just strong enough to do that when his life depends on it.
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Craig Earl
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| Posted: 01 July 2025 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 4
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Andy what a classic sequence that is, from ASM 33.
Stan & Steve knocked it out of the park.
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Mark Haslett
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Michael: Over forty years ago, it seemed to be a thought that Spider-Man was a "super medium-weight."
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That ranking puts Spider-Man, She-Hulk, and The Silver Surfer in the "same" category.
That seems wildly incorrect. In every respect!
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Michael Penn
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It was some wackadoodle grouping!
(But one example of many things-gone-wrong back then that led me to drop comicbooks as a hobby.)
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Drew Spence
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I think (like regular humans) if he focuses, he's much stronger, has more awareness and (like fighters) can take a punch better when they see it coming. So in battle, he's at peak abilities. When relaxed, he can be caught off guard - even with the spidey-sense.
Spiders also go from 0 to 100%. They literally use hydraulics and have explosive bursts of speed. It probably seems like immense power to the onlooker.
And then my biggest thought is Spider-Man is their flagship character. And sometimes comics feels like two six-year-olds arguing about who can beat who. And most companies probably want their flagship character to do well and so- boost the levels a bit, when needed.
Edited by Drew Spence on 01 July 2025 at 4:12pm
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Steven Myers
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I like strong enough to lift a car with difficulty. I like the idea that he's always cracking jokes and jumping around while fighting hoods so he can get better pictures to sell to the Bugle!
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Richard Stevens
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Lift a car, but not throw a car is how I think it should work!
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James Johnson
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....I like strong enough to lift a car with difficulty...
.....Lift a car, but not throw a car .....
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Hmmmm....define car.....🤔
....but seriously.......
Like strong enough to lift a full size car with difficulty....flip over a SUV ( Hummer....Sequoia....etc...)
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Houston Mitchell
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I remember being a kid and reading JB's "Everyone against Galactus" issue of FF. I was mad that he had Spider-Man sitting on the sidelines with Daredevil with them thinking they weren't heavy enough hitters for this one.
Cut to several years later when I saw the issue where Spider-Man beat up Firelord single-handed. I thought to myself "You know, John Byrne had it right."
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Was the Ditko Spider-Man more powerful than the Romita Sr. Spider-Man?
I remember Ditko's Peter Parker pulling his punch at the last second in a boxing match with Flash Thompson, afraid that he'd kill him if he did the slightest bit more than tap him.
But the Romita Sr. era had him in fairly even fights with normal (albeit very tough) humans like the Kingpin and Man-Mountain Marko. And how did people like Doc Ock, the Vulture, and Electro ever take a punch on the jaw from Spidey?
I'd prefer him to be about equal with the likes of Luke Cage not She-Hulk.
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