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Posted: 22 August 2026 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It's hard to read dialogue written 50-60 years ago through current eyes. Stans "hip teenage language" in the original ASM is cringeworthy if you look at it with today's sensibilities. Read the Teen Brigade dialogue in the early Avengers stories and you will just shake your head.

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Walt Simonson, who was a close contemporary of Johnny Storm and Peter Parker at the time, has said Stan and Jack and Steve never presented him with “teenagers” who were like himself or any of his friends.

Being 4 years younger, I took the Marvel teens at face value. Maybe that was what I would become in a few years? (It wasn’t.)

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Posted: 22 August 2026 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I could see Walt being cool enough to hang out with Johnny.
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Posted: 22 August 2026 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

But was Johnny cool enough to hang out with Walt?
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Posted: 22 August 2026 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

THAT’s the question!
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Posted: 22 August 2026 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I recently read the JSA collection from 1943-1945, which is great in a historical context in addition to having some cool comics (Simon Kirby Sandman!!). I've always preferred the Golden Age DC heroes over the Silver Age. They seem more interesting, but maybe that's the unfamiliarity compared with the pop culture exposure of the Silver Age. Or maybe it has to do with getting into comics in the late 70s, and the Silver Age seems so tame compared to the 70s-80s Marvels?
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I started reading American superhero comics when I was somewhere between 6 and 8. Young enough that my reading comprehension did not allow me to immediately recognize Superman’s chest emblem as an “S”.

The Silver Age—not yet called that—was brand new. Over the next few years I was present for the introduction of Hawkman, the Atom, Green Lantern and the Justice League. All with no idea they were revivals of “Golden Age” characters. They were all brand new to me. (Some of them were brand new, in fact. The Metal Men, Metamorpho, the Sea Devils, Cave Carson.)

I will confess to decades of grumbling after the Golden and Silver age terms showed. Archeologists and historians used “Golden Age” to describe civilizations at their peak. They didn’t use “Silver Age”. That came from sports, where the best athletes got gold medal, while the second and third got silver and bronze. (Someone said second place is just first loser.)

I was not at all pleased to find myself entering what was starting to be called the “Bronze Age”. Seemed like a declaration of inferiority. Were we really not as good as the Thirties and Forties? (An argument could be made that we were not as good as the Sixties, especially at Marvel!)

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 The Silver Age—not yet called that—was brand new. Over the next few years I was present for the introduction of Hawkman, the Atom, Green Lantern and the Justice League. All with no idea they were revivals of “Golden Age” characters. They were all brand new to me. (Some of them were brand new, in fact. The Metal Men, Metamorpho, the Sea Devils, Cave Carson.)”
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When a fellow comic collector tells me he collects Silver Age DC, I always ask about their runs of Brave and the Bold and Showcase.  With all the new character premieres in those two books, they separate the men from the boys when it comes to collections!
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Could you elaborate, please?
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Posted: 24 August 2026 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Chancing thread drift - but why can't anyone figure out how to make the METAL MEN work, long-term? Why can't the market support that book?
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As much as I love the Metal Men, I must admit there is a heavy and pretty much unshakable cute factor. Their designs and their personalities are rooted in cute.

As the audience has gotten older, cute has become less and less tolerable.

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I've never been able to not see Denslow's Tin Man in the Metal Men, and that's not been a good thing.
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 Could you elaborate, please?”
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I will try.  For Silver Age DC, I have almost all the 1965-1970 issues for most major titles, such as Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, etc.  But Showcase during the same period?  I currently have a big hole in my collection at number 79 for the first appearance of Fathom, who is not a major character at all, but prices are through the roof.

Issue right after that is the first Phantom Stranger.  Around the same vintage are the debuts of The Creeper, and Hawk and Dove.

And for the late 1950s and early 1960s Showcase, bring your credit card.  First Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Metal Men, Challengers of the Unknown, Rip Hunter, Sea Devils, Adam Strange, first reappearance of Aquaman in many years, and a one issue adaption of Dr No which is extremely rare because it was published months before the movie came out in the US, most copies were returned unsold and then destroyed, and then the movie was a hit.

Collecting a run of Batman over the same years is WAY easier.
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