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        | Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Big Bad Byrne loves to write stories about older men being involved with younger women!
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 Kidding aside, I am sort of amazed at how many people have taken umbrage with the Reed/Sue thing which JB established. It’s not rocket science. They met when Reed was a young college boarder. Sue had a crush on him, which of course embarrassed him, since she was literally a child. Years later, they were reunited as adults, and eventually fell for each other. As adults.  
 This new bit of backstory managed to reconcile Stan’s ages for the characters with that reference to Sue being “the girl next door” from early on in the series. Nothing pedophilic or creepy about it. Sure, there’s the age difference between them, but it’s not as outrageous as some real-life May-December romances out there.  
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        | Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          If I had my druthers, the characters would never become a year older. If
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 |  a hero was 35, on his birthday he would turn... 35!
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        | Sean Sullivan Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          JB- How did you see the Kitty/Peter romance playing out when you were doing Uncanny?
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 |  Or, maybe more to the point, how did you want it to play out?  | 
       
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        | John Byrne 
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          Hopefully you’ll be able to read the book and find out!
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        | Jason K Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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 This was posted on CAF this morning, and I'd never seen it before (I've never read Phoenix:Untold Story). Figured others may not have seen it either. | 
       
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        | Steve Green Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Okay, so Reed and Ben are circa 18 in 1944, which indeed makes them 35 in 1961. We've established that makes Sue 25, but how old is Johnny? I've always assumed he's in his late teens, which means he'd have been an infant when Reed and Sue first met.
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        | John Byrne 
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          Johnny was stated as being 16. Something of a “miracle baby” I guess!
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        | John Byrne 
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          That posted page is another that I “plotted”.  So Chris has to make his presence felt. Blah blah blah.
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 |  And (grumble grumble) in the context of the scene does it really seem likely that staid even uptight Cyclops would say “C’mon”?
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        | Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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 |  I was recently talking about the FF's original ages. Sue can't be too old to be the sister of a 16 year-old. But it also makes sense that there's a big gap between Sue and Johnny. It seems evident early on that, though Johnny is minor, Sue is his guardian, because we never see their parents. A later storyline confirmed this. So Sue has a big sister/parental role with Johnny, and she certainly has been written as having such I think. 
 Reed is older, but not too old. Ben is his contemporary. It makes for a cool "family" dynamic in the FF! | 
       
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        | Steve Green Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Looking at the original two-page synopsis for the FF's origin story (which Stan presumably produced after discussions with Jack), it's clear Reed and Ben are not only the same age, they have the same tastes in women. With hindsight, it's obvious that a permanent love triangle would have unbalanced the narrative and made it rather unlikely the title would still be on the shelves nearly six decades later.
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        | John Byrne 
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          ...which Stan presumably produced after discussions with Jack...
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 |  ••• Why presume that?
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        | Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          And (grumble grumble) in the context of the scene does it really seem likely that staid even uptight Cyclops would say “C’mon”?
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 |  ++++++++++++
 
 I've come to the conclusion that getting the voices of the characters right is a vital component which is far too often underappreciated and/or dismissed.
 
 With print adaptations of live-action characters--such as your own STAR TREK work, JB--any problems with the voices have the danger-potential to stand out far more noticeably than with print-only characters. However, it's still important to get the characters' voices right and consistent for print-only characters, too.
 
 Speech idioms, use of contractions, "tone" of voice (by use of punctuation and bold lettering)...these are all subtle-yet-important.
 
 
 Too many people write Stan Lee off as the guy who just threw words on top of amazing art, but, man, did he give the characters distinctive voices and personalities. That's a big part of why people love and remember the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man and all the rest.
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