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        | Scott Barnett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Thank you for coming to my defense, Matt, but honestly, I don't see the problem here.
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 Tim, I confess to not understanding why you think posting the original pages inked is somehow offensive. I inked these pages several months ago, when that's all there was of this project, but even so, I don't see the problem if I had inked these yesterday. 
 I don't recall JB requesting we not post the original 20-page story inked. If he has, I'll abide by whatever rules he's set up. These are his pages and this is his playground. | 
       
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        | John Byrne 
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          A general note:  A lot of you, inking the jungle backgrounds in the first "issue," are using a very dead line.  No variation.  This makes the backgrounds look like wallpaper, rather than real, living jungle.
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 |  Look closely.  Notice how I rotate my pencil to give variation in each line, thick/thin, thin/think. A little more BOUNCE to the line!
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        | Paul Wills Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          I'm currently working on a page with jungle background. I can't wait to put this tip to use! (somehow I keep picking the pages to ink involving the nightmare Wolverine).
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        | Jeffrey Rice Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Would using a traditional brush help to learn line variation?
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        | Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
 
 
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           | Posted: 22 August 2019 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | 5 | post reply |  
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 |  Scott B:  "Thank you for coming to my defense, Matt, but honestly, I don't see
 the problem here.
 
 Tim, I confess to not understanding why you think posting the original pages
 inked is somehow offensive. I inked these pages several months ago, when
 that's all there was of this project, but even so, I don't see the problem if I had
 inked these yesterday.
 
 I don't recall JB requesting we not post the original 20-page story inked. If he
 has, I'll abide by whatever rules he's set up. These are his pages and this is his
 playground."
 
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 Well, I didn't say it was offensive and I didn't say it was restricted - of course
 you can post those pages.  I was giving my opinion that there were several
 pages with no dialogue, and I am more talking about the blue line pages.
 When Eric offered blue lines by email I thought I would mention that I didn't like
 seeing the dialogue/narration not inked.  If more people will be inking on blue
 line, I would hope they retain the dialogue, which is the only thing on the
 original that is inked.  To evaluate these pages, I think it's best to see to the full
 piece, and the dialogue is important - I don't think the dialogue should be
 given short shrift.
 
 
 
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        | Scott Barnett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Well, I didn't say it was offensive and I didn't say it was restricted - of course
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 |  you can post those pages. I was giving my opinion that there were several
 pages with no dialogue, and I am more talking about the blue line pages.
 When Eric offered blue lines by email I thought I would mention that I didn't like
 seeing the dialogue/narration not inked. If more people will be inking on blue
 line, I would hope they retain the dialogue, which is the only thing on the
 original that is inked. To evaluate these pages, I think it's best to see to the full
 piece, and the dialogue is important - I don't think the dialogue should be
 given short shrift.
 
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 Your initial post sounded to me as though you thought I was doing something disrespectful.
 In any event, I had created my bluelines from the content I had available to me at the time, which was the unlettered 20-page story from last summer. That's what is printed on artboards in my studio. I'd rather not waste that time and those art supplies, so when I get back to it, I'll be finishing that version first.
 
 I'd love to start inking the lettered versions, too, but all in good time.
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        | Scott Barnett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          A general note: A lot of you, inking the jungle backgrounds in the first "issue," are using a very dead line. No variation. This makes the backgrounds look like wallpaper, rather than real, living jungle.
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 |  Look closely. Notice how I rotate my pencil to give variation in each line, thick/thin, thin/think. A little more BOUNCE to the line! ------------- Thank you for the tip, JB! That was another unintended consequence to shrinking down my inks to post here (I lost a fair amount of the line variation I thought I had achieved).
 Lesson learned!
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        | Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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           | Posted: 23 August 2019 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 8 | post reply |  
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 The spirit of this thread is definitely to allow people to stretch out artistically. Respect for the subject matter is implied and I thought I was being respectful by putting my work out there as well as trying to help others. I don't know how I am being "dismissive" by only inking the pages and doing some of the lettering duty. I don't think it is dismissive when Darren Taylor, Mark McKay or anyone else posts a portion of a page and I'm not sure why I would be singled out when I post a portion of a page. There is nothing dismissive or disrespectful intended when I post pages that are fulling inked, but partially lettered. Back on page 6 of this thread I did post a page with lettering and it took a very long time to get right. Since I have no intention of being a letterer I would rather spend that time inking images and practicing with a brush and quill.
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        | Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
 
 
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 |  I just don't agree with anything you are saying here, Eric.  I think we're coming
 from different places.  This is a thread for people to post their work, and
 people are sharing opinions pretty freely - I don't know why my opinion is
 getting this kind of resistance.
 
 I don't think this is a great thread for debate, but I will say one thing to back up
 a bit and give some context:
 
 I see JB as a kind of pioneer in lettering.  He was the first I was aware of who
 took control of his lettering and used a computer early in his career.  And
 because I prefer when he writes his own work, I like seeing how the dialogue
 interacts with the art.
 
 One of my favorite aspects of ELSEWHEN is that while the pencils will be
 interpreted by many inkers, the dialogue/narration is baked into the piece and
 complete.  You don't need to ink it - it's done and it's a major part of the
 piece.You don't have any "duty" as a letterer, but you are removing what is
 there.  I see a lot of rookie and professional inkers do things to JB's art I
 disagree with, but I didn't think we would see the dialogue drop out like this, so
 I am saying something.
 
 I'm no artist, but since the dialogue/narration is camera ready, can't you paste
 it up or digitally add it?  Wouldn't you just need to ink the balloon?  It just
 seems what you are doing is wrong.
 
 
 
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        | Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          So you don't see it as offensive, merely wrong? A rose by any other name...
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 JB is a wonderful storyteller. I doubt there are many (if any) on this board who don't admire his writing. But, for goodness sake, this is a thread about inking his art. You may prefer the words in place, but to say that to post art without the words is wrong is simply going too far, Tim. | 
       
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        | Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Now that I have blue lines (thanks Eric), I'll be inking the balloons but they'll be empty.
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        | Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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           | Posted: 25 August 2019 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 12 | post reply |  
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 |  Tim, take a look at the history of my posts and you will see a variety of attempts while I wrestled with the dialog on pages when posting a page. I've tried printing my blue line boards with the boarders, balloons and dialog in black to save a step, but the "customer use" copiers can't print well on smooth bristol boards and those elements get scraped off by a straight edge eventually. I've tried everything and the only way I can get the dialog on the page is to digitally add it and that is as I mentioned too time consuming. Since posting my pages without the dialog might offend I will simply post potions that are not complete for comment. So let's get back to putting up some art.
 
 I am liking how the Prototype Sentinel is coming out on this page: 
  
 This panel is a lot of fun. This is the fourth time I have inked it: 
  
 And, I do like the effects on this panel and I am salivating to do page 15 of issue #3. This is also my fourth time:
 
  
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