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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 12 May 2025 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply
Casey: Matt - I'm with you on this. I've seen too many instances personally
and nationally that put the lie to that phrase.

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I have probably seen 1000 people run stop signs. Does that mean it’s OK to
run stop signs?
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 12 May 2025 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply
Casey: Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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Neither is refusing to try to understand someone who is speaking very
plainly.

Principles are believed in. They may not be practiced perfectly, but they
remain guiding principles.

When the principle that no one is above the law is something we no longer
believe in, then we are guiding ourselves toward the fate we seem to all
want to avoid.

The rich and powerful have always been able to evade the law to some
degree. The poor and the wretched have always taken the brunt of injustice.

But abandoning principles is not a way to rally people to fight for justice.

Asking other people to officially refrain from saying that no one is above the
law rubs me the wrong way. Your mileage may vary, of course, but I like it
around here too much to not say something when I see something like this.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 12 May 2025 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply
I think there is a difference between
No one SHOULD be above the law - which is the ideal

And

No one IS above the law - which has been proven false thanks to the
Supreme Court.

I believe that no one SHOULD be above the law, but I do not believe that no
one IS above the law - because Trump IS above the law with regards to
everything he does if carried out as part of the office of The President of
the United States.
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Posted: 12 May 2025 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply
Exactly,  James. 

Maybe Mark misunderstands me and thinks I don't agree with the principle? My argument isn't that it we as a people shouldn't hold that view, it's that in practice,  it clearly isn't the case.

And as for abandoning principles...? I never said I abandoned my principles, and I never said I don't agree that nobody should be above the law. What I said was that that's not the reality,  so I am tired of it being said in instances like the one that sparked this conversation to begin with.

I might hope and believe in an idea that everyone should love one another and has each other's best interests at heart, but that's not the reality, and never will be. And neither is the REALITY that nobody is above the law.

Anyone who disagrees,  I hope you can laugh in my face when Trump serves time for his crimes. If that happens,  we'd both actually be winners. But I don't see that ever happening. 
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 12 May 2025 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply
Matt: Maybe Mark misunderstands me and thinks I don't agree with the principle?

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Look, I'm not trying to insult your intelligence and say "You must mean what you appear to be saying". But when I ask someone to officially stop using a phrase, I no longer believe that phrase.

The phrase "No one is above the law" is a principle.

When in history has it ever been literally true? At what point in the future do you foresee that it will one day be literally true?

What purpose does it serve to stop using the phrase?

No one is above the law. No matter how many shitty illegal things they get away with-- the law should be applied to all equally. That is what Rule of Law means.
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No one is above the law. No matter how many shitty illegal things they get
away with-- the law should be applied to all equally. That is what Rule of
Law means.
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And it’s not. Dear god, man. Even the Supreme Court has even agreed that
Donald Trump is above the law and it doesn’t apply to him at all.
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