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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 09 May 2025 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply


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Don’t trip on that hoop!

Given that I’m not a believer, I’m not sure what hoop you are referring to. These are the discussions in critical (read: secular academic) scholarship. 


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I love the way Believers jump thru hoops to make a document written thousands of years ago reflect Modern Times

Making a document written thousands of years ago reflect Modern Times applies to both believers trying to justify the Bible and non-believers trying to criticize it. Using the clobber passages as some sort of gotcha for the incompatibility of Christian beliefs and homosexuality is trying to apply modern concepts of sexual orientation to ancient Hebrew ideas of sex roles. It’s more useful to understand that the Bible was written by people in a specific historical cultural context and not some sort of divine book from Heaven. 
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I find myself wondering if the Cardinals chose an American BECAUSE of the Anti-Christ in the White House.

I have a cynical reading of it along the lines of why FIFA has given hosting the World Cup to the USA more than once in the last 30 years, despite 'soccer' not being that big in the US... They want to grow into that market!


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Michael Roberts
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I have a cynical reading of it along the lines of why FIFA has given hosting the World Cup to the USA more than once in the last 30 years, despite 'soccer' not being that big in the US... They want to grow into that market!

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Wrong Pope if that were the case. While US Catholics are kinda split down the middle between progressive and conservatives, the clergy and regular attendees are growing more conservative and MAGA Catholics are a thing. A pro-immigrant Pope who has been critical of Trump and Vance is the opposite of that. 
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Especially with regard to the Old Testament, Jesuits teachers will be the first to tell you that not everything is meant to be read literally and the historical context that the Scripture was written does matter.

I went to a Jesuit high school. They carefully explained how 99% of the Bible and Catholicism was utter irrational bullshit, while reserving a 1% that was true true true despite its complete defiance of the intellectual rigor the Jesuits otherwise encouraged. Even though vast swaths of the Book of Genesis were waved away as metaphorical, we were taught the Earth was indeed created in six literal days.

As a result, I'm surprised whenever I encounter a Catholic who claims to believe any of it.

Still, despite believing none of Catholicism, I find the Protestant faiths to be even more deluded. Like, if one is going to be a religious fanatic, it should be in the One True Church.

When my nephew asked me to be his confirmation sponsor, I braced myself for a difficult conversation about why I wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't. I asked him why he wanted to be a confirmed Catholic, and he replied that he didn't; he identified as an atheist and was obediently enduring a meaningless social ritual to placate his parents. Under those circumstances, I could hardly refuse.
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