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Michael Todd
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Actually I asked, then I remembered the Grand Comic Book Database site and checked the cover date of that Tales to Astonish issue.
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I bought X-Men #137 off the stand, the day it came out as a very-eager- to-read-it-13 year old. And while I agree, then and now, the published ending was much more dramatic/emotional, I still believe that the stories following would have been much better had Phoenix survived as originally intended. The last great X-Men issue was #143 and I'll even go so far as to say #144 was ok. I only kept buying the book because I loved the Kitty Pryde character and that love would keep me buying the book regularly only until around issue # 175

Cockrum's art was okay on #145 onward but the stories were pretty terrible. I hated the whole Dr. Doom story (ROGUE STORM -- DARE WE DO IT AGAIN? I thought that was dumb even as a thirteen year old), #148-149 were just embarrassing, especially that hideous Kitty Pryde costume. #150 was okay because it had Magneto as the villain but again, I had always wished they went along with the original story because the planned #150 by Claremont/Byrne would have been killer.

 In fact, the whole storyline would have been amazing; the classic run would have been X-Men #129-150 instead of just #129-137. And I also remember reading what was supposed to happen to Wolverine had John stayed on, which also would have been a zillion times more interesting that what saw print. 

To this day, the last page of Phoenix: The Untold Story is one of the most moving, emotional pieces of art I've ever seen. Seeing Scott holding her shoes as Jean is leaning over, touching that lily in the pond, what an image!

In short, readers got the dramatic ending to # 137 but in trade, received a less than stellar run of issues following and the beginning of the whole death as a revolving door/event thing. Personally, I don't think Shooter should be patting himself on the back so hard, especially since Jean Grey ended up coming back a few more times anyway. 

 



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Kitty's costume was, indeed, hideous but brilliant at the same time! An
awful costume pieced together by an overeager 14 year old? Genius! I
never thought it would stay for long (and it didn't.). If anything, my big
concern was that that would be the beginning of Kitty stowing away on
missions a la Spritle and Chim-Chim.
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I liked Uncanny X-Men from 94 all the way to 150.  I even enjoyed 151 to 153.  I started losing interest when the Brood entered the picture.
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I didn't like how "cute" the book became over time.

I mean...c'mon...









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ah, Kitty's Fairy Tale was pure fun! And love that 2nd pic.
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The X-Babies were an example of something I started noticing happening more and more in the X-Books after I left -- namely, anything that got mentioned around the office, even if it was a joke, would eventually end up in a story. "X-Babies" was what office wags were calling the NEW MUTANTS before the book settled on that title.
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While I didn't mind Kitty's fairy tale, the X-babies (And the whole Mojo stuff for that mater) were a step too far. I wondered at the time what the editor was thinking but then, clearly, when the editor did take a stand, things led to the departure of CC
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the X-babies (And the whole Mojo stuff for that mater) were a step too far.

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That single panel is a fairly concise summation of a whole lot of things that went wrong with the X-Men after I left.

Tho, again, who am I to say "wrong"? Since sales continued to soar, obviously Chris & Co. were doing SOMETHING right!

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Once Byrne left I never enjoyed the X-Men as much again until The Hidden Years came along, and sadly that was cut short.
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The only thing I liked about the Mojo stuff was that Arthur Adams was doing the art.
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"I didn't like how "cute" the book became over time."

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Granted, this is filtered through a 10-year-old's exposure to the work, but I think it's a part of what made Dave Cockrum my favorite X-Men artist, just above JB. Though I felt that JB's work on the title was superior in several ways in a technical sense, DC had an element of "fun" to his work that I don't think JB quite mastered at that point in the late 70's. By some point in the 80's I feel that JB was able to get to that level, though.

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