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Cliff Richard
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where is that Superman supposed to be from?
(I fear the answer...)
Edited by Cliff Richard on 23 October 2008 at 9:08am
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Gerry Turnbull
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Cliff, thats supposed to be JB's Superman
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Scott Daggett
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The Superman face doesn't even come close to JB's.
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Anthony Frail
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This talk of "Kirby's art style" being captured in these figures just makes
me sad. Kirby's style could never be captured in an action figure. Oh,
sure, the sculpture could incorporate the most superficial elements of
how Kirby drew -- the stocky figures, the stylized musculature, the
square jaws and flat fingertips -- but those are, if anything, the greatest
weaknesses of Kirby's art. His true skill lay in the scope of his
imagination and, most importantly, the sheer POWER of what he drew.
The almost manic energy that seemed to be bursting from almost every
panel.
That's not something that can be captured in static plastic.
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I can appreciate and respect where you're coming from, and to a large
extent agree with you. Kirby's work is always in motion, always jumping
and straining and moving, while an action figure is merely a piece of
molded plastic sitting on one's book shelf.
That said, the superficial elements of Kirby, the weaknesses you speak
of, have their charm to me. The square knee caps, the blocky torsos, it's
all very appealing to me for whatever reason.
It's kind of like Joe Shuster-- certainly not the most skilled artist to draw
Superman, but one of my favorites for some odd, intangible reason.
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Pascal LISE
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I, too, don't see these as weaknesses but rather obvious parts of a strong personal style.
Edited by Pascal LISE on 23 October 2008 at 12:56pm
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Philippe Negrin
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That's a rather interesting debate here : Is a distinctive style in an artist the result of his strengths or his weaknesses ? What should a debutant artist do, try to make his mistakes disappear or turn them into his own personal style? It's strange because I can accept this theory for Kirby, Ditko or Infantino, for example, but in the case of more recent artists like JB of course, or Perez or Alan Davis, it's less obvious...
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John Byrne
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Is a distinctive style in an artist the result of his strengths or his
weaknesses?
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Both.
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John Byrne
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The Superman face doesn't even come close to JB's.
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No -- but it has superficial elements of my work, in the same way the Kirby
Superman has superficial elements only. Basically, they both look like they
are modeled on the work of someone who is trying to draw like me, or
like Kirby -- and missing the finer points.
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Pascal LISE
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John Byrne said :
"Both."
YES!
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Chad Carter
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I think if it's a JB Superman, it should be smiling.
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Chad Carter
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I guess the Creeper looks pretty good, at least it doesn't look completely like the Joker as the character seems to be modeled these days.
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Chad Carter
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I love the Kirby Superman. The Kirby Superman figure calls to me more than any of the others in the line.
The squared-off stuff with Kirby is a signature of Kirby, distinct as the way he signed his work. I won't blame anyone for trying to reproduce Kirby.
What about a panel or cover reproduction of Kirby? Whatever they're called. Not just a figure by itself in the "real" world, but a Kirby-esque figure surrounded by Kirby tech and other Kirby characters.
I think when you have a figure molded from Kirby and you set it on a desk, it looks out of place. In the Kirby landscape, it'll be more faithful to the feel of the art, maybe.
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