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Edward Aycock
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Posted: August 05 2025 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Dave, yeah, it was a bit of a setup to the Loki/Storm thing.  

I can't believe Paul Smith only did ten issues of X-Men.  It seemed like he was there for a long time.  Then again, I was ten to eleven and things moved much slower then.  
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Mark Haslett: "They had the million dollar unicorn in their hands, and did something to screw the metaphor up so bad I can’t even complete it!"
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Yeah!  What's up with that?!

I love Stan Lee, but I still wonder how he thought it was a good idea to have Marie Severin redraw Neal Adams' X-MEN monster!

Likewise, we have a lot of stories here about (among other things) DC screwing over JB on UNTOLD LEGEND OF BATMAN and some other projects, Shooter screwing up the Stern/Byrne run on CAPTAIN AMERICA, and now Nocenti and this TWO-ISSUE mini-series!  (C'mon, hold your editorial ego in check for TWO issues, people!)

I've heard other stories through the years, of course.  A more recent one was Marvel firing Jim Starlin off his latest THANOS project even as the Marvel movies inspired by Starlin's Thanos work were making the latest billion dollars!

My thinking is if you're lucky enough as an editor to have John Byrne, Neal Adams, or Jim Starlin willing to do a project for you (that will make you money and gain you prestige), you let them do whatever they want!

Or am I missing something?


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I love Stan Lee, but I still wonder how he thought it was a good idea to have Marie Severin redraw Neal Adams' X-MEN monster!

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Before my time, but I understood that was Roy’s decision?

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Roy was the writer, but Stan was the editor.  I read (perhaps in Roy's ALTER EGO magazine?) that Neal drew an animalistic monster but Stan always wanted more humanoid monsters.  

I also read that Neal was bothered by "editorial" (wasn't that always Stan?) messing with his covers.  (It was something like--Stan: "Why aren't your Marvel covers as good as your DC covers?"  Neal: "Because DC lets me do what I want.")


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As the tale is told, Neal drew a dog, literally.
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Well, I remembered where I read Roy's account--in his intro for X-MEN MARVEL MASTERWORKS #6.  Roy didn't actually write the issue--it was Neal's plot and Roy was supposed to script it but got busy and got Denny O'Neil to script it instead.  Strike one: Neal thought he should have been consulted.  So, it sounds like Roy might have been acting as editor (assistant editor?) even though Stan is listed as editor (though the situation was probably looser than that back then when Marvel was a small operation).  In the intro, Roy calls Stan "editor-in-chief" and says he had a thing about humanoid monsters.  Neal had drawn a REPTILLIAN monster, and Stan thought the scene would make a good cover but wanted the monster to be half-lizard & half-human.  Marie Severin drew the cover per Stan's direction and then was called upon to change the interior scene to match--two panels!  In the first, the X-Men are looking low, while the monster towers above them!  In the second panel, the human-like lizard (or lizard-like human?) is clearly on all fours, in a thin horizontal panel!  Strike two: Neal would not return for the next issue, which turned out to be the series' final one.  Since it his was his plot too, Neal probably felt doubly injured.  But Roy points out that Stan's instincts might have been right on, as the issue (with the lizard-man cover) sold better than just about every other issue Neal worked on.



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Almost certain I saw a xerox of Neal’s pencils, where he had drawn basically Cerberus.

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