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Posted: 04 May 2026 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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AI history of Jesus demolishing the mythology. Nothing really new, but interesting to see so much of it in one place.

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 04 May 2026 at 10:51pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

It's an interesting question to discuss/torpedo,though the bad AI visuals were very distracting!

I feel it was trying to argue two things at once. For me the question considering the pure historicity of was there an actual man behind the larger myth is more interesting than the question of are the Gospels all the 'Gospel truth' (spoiler: a lot of that stuff definitely didn't happen). 

Let's say I question if ever there was a real person behind the Orpheus myth. We can look at the historical record for clues and from there try and make up our minds about how flimsy or strong or non-existent the evidence might be. But trying to argue Orpheus never descended into the underworld to rescue Eurydice is neither here nor there when it comes to proving the original contention. This part of the story is myth and separate to the question of historicity. I feel some of this falls under that banner.

Similarly, if Mark never mentions the census or the trip to Bethlehem and Luke does, it's overwhelmingly likely that Luke fabricated his addition to the point of it almost being trivially obvious. But that in itself does not repudiate the original 'source' of Mark. I put source in inverted commas, because the reliability of that source is up for debate, but this part does actually have a fascinating mystery alongside it. If we consider there was no historical Jesus of any kind, then it's still kind of interesting to consider why there is this Greek text from a few decades after about this otherwise obscure corner of the world.


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Loaves and fishes...replicator technology!
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Posted: 05 May 2026 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Something I looked up...

>> The life of Jesus is connected to the Old Testament through hundreds of prophecies, types, and allusions, with estimates commonly citing over 300 specific prophecies fulfilled. Scholars, such as J. Barton Payne, have identified over 574 verses in the Old Testament that are considered direct or indirect messianic prophecies, with 301-351 prophecies commonly highlighted in modern studies. <<

So, what's more likely...

...the writing of the Old Testament actually prophetically predicted the course of events in Jesus' life, as well as the actions Jesus took...

...or...

...the writers of the New Testament knew almost nothing about what happened in Jesus' life, what he actually did and said, and they sloppily assembled an inconsistent sometimes contradictory grab-bag biography based on the only material they had at hand, the Old Testament?


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Posted: 05 May 2026 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

The predictions of Nostradamus are more properly called POSTdictions. No one has ever spotted a “prediction” and then seen it happen in the real world. Rather, significant events occur and the Nostramites scurry back to the volumes to seek something that “matches”. (The assassination of JFK was subsequently paired with “the great man shall be struck down by lightning in the day.”)

The “prophecies” of the OT should be viewed the same way.

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Posted: 05 May 2026 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Found a number of seemingly new videos about the Shroud of Turin. Many provide “proof” it’s real.

As an ARTIST I knew it was as fake the first time I saw it, yet people continue to waste time and effort studying it.

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Posted: 05 May 2026 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I read a thing online once where someone had easily replicated it through the hugely complicated process of leaving out a cloth in the sun.
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