This is why I know, in my heart of hearts, that there really is no way out of this snake pit. Truth (see above post) is simply not an issue.

Truth (see above post) is simply not an issue.

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At which point you do what?  Just keep on keeping on?  Weather out the storm and hope for the best?

The world is so full of idiots.

MPH

JB,

How horrible! 

Let me say that at the LCS that I frequent, JB comics are held in high regards and are something to look forward to when they're released.  We've been talking about the ATOM stuff for weeks! 

I hadn't heard any references to bad JB stories until I started frequenting the AOL boards a few years ago.  I always felt that they had zero merit, and paid no attention to them past the initial reading.  It's simply ridiculous that they're having any sort of impact on JB's career. 

Joe

Gail Simone wrote: Anyway, that's my two cents, which today, is worth about no cents at all.

Thanks for putting in your two cents here -- I can't tell you how it saddens me, though, to hear you talk about the rampant unprofessionalism you encountered among your fellow "professionals" when you were originally teamed with JB on Action.  While I find it disheartening, I do not find it suprising at all, though, because I have run up against this sort of thing myself -- in fact, I was banned from the Comic Bloc forums with no warning whatsoever for simply asking Ethan Van Sciver a question about an overtly disparaging remark he made about JB in a discussion thread on the Comic Bloc forums (Ethan's comments were obviously interpreted as disparaging towards JB by other posters, too, given that the various responses to Ethan's post included comments such as "FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIERRRRRRRRRRRCEEEEEEEEEEE!", "hell that was so harsh I got burned....or should I say Byrned," and "Okay, that's Burn of the week right there, ladies and gents.").  After three pages' worth of jabs at JB by Ethan, other posters, and several of the Comic Bloc moderators, I asked Ethan a very pointed question about his comment and indicated that I was surprised that he was acting so unprofessionally because he generally seemed congenial and amiable whenever he had posted here on the Byrne Robotics forum.

After that, I was promptly banned -- not sure if Ethan banned me himself (he's a moderator over there), or if it was one of the other mods (most likely Capt. Dallas, I would guess).

Ethan was for some reason banned here at the Byrne Robotics forum after this thread occurred, so I suspect that my ban from the Comic Bloc forums was intended as a bit of quid pro quo -- I specifically worded my post to ensure that I would not offend Ethan, in fact, and revised it several times before posting to ensure that it would be delivered with the proper "tone," so I don't think it was my post itself that led to the ban (you can see what I posted for yourself if you'd like -- http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=582908&po stcount=37). 

Anyway, be advised -- your overt support of John Byrne here in this thread may lead to some undesirable backlash over on the Comic Bloc forums.

Have you ever considered doing a podcast at wordballoon.com?
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He's a recent new member here, tho' I don't recall any posts yet.

There isn't a way out at this point, because the kind of people perpetuating it aren't interested in things like the truth.  The mistake is assuming the people "offended" and spinning these tales are genuine.  They aren't actually upset or offended, they only feel those emotions when their bait isn't taken or their "clever" set-ups don't work.  Correct information is not a solution, because it's doesn't lead them to what they need.

The way I see it, getting past the Bad Byrne stories is a test, showing you whether or not a poster is worth conversing with.  Like the man and his work or not as you will, but if the reason for the latter is some nonsense about convention scoldings or context-less charges of racism, well that really says all that needs to be said about that person, doesn't it?

QUOTE: I disagree a bit with your premise John (Webster).  There seems to be a pretty broad range among those "offended", from out and out troll to someone who understands the context of the statements and still feels they crossed a line.

In regards to JB's statements, I think if they understood the context, they wouldn't be offended.  Or if they were offended, then in my opinion they were already predisposed towards being so.

QUOTE: I've only been offended by one thing posted on this forum and it wasn't a statement by JB.

Well, then what I said doesn't really apply to this particular situation you found yourself in, as it was pertaining to JB's posts, not whoever you're talking about.

 

QUOTE: And when I told the poster why I was offended they apologized.  I don't think it does much good to just write them all off as trolls.

Without details, I don't truly understand this circumstance enough to really fit it into what I was saying, so I'll simply clarify a bit.  I don't disagree entirely with the notion that there are those out there who, for one reason or another, have come to think JB is a jerk without being trolls. 

However, I think they lose their "innocence" when they go about the net (or come here specifically) with a confrontational attitude, spreading stories they themselves have no way to personally verify.  If one wants to think JB is a jerk based on what they read online, they are certainly allowed if they want to make such judgments off questionable sources of information.  If they are going to speak on it with some kind of authority to others, however, then I think an intelligent and mannered person has a responsibility to know what they are talking about.  Particularly when the truth is so easy to find.  They don't have to acknowledge this responsibiliy, and many don't, but those who do are the kinds of people I like to associate with.