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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 135241
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Posted: 07 July 2006 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 1
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In an example of the kind of synchronisity that I sometimes find decorating portions of my life, I found a pertinent quotation in the latest SKEPTICAL INQUIRER, in an essay titled, tongue firmly in cheek, "The Internet: A Shining Beacon of Truth"."Correction of error is a process requiring human intervention, and so as long as there are many humans who find misinformation more charming than fact, error will flourish, no matter how readily available the facts are." This is Robert Shaeffer writing, and his subject is UFOs, but the comment seemed to echo what is seen in this thread.
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6413
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Posted: 07 July 2006 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | 2
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I just wanna say that's good to have, from time to time, Gail Simone here!. You are always welcome with open arms Gail! ;)
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Matt Linton Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 13 December 2005 Posts: 2022
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Posted: 07 July 2006 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | 3
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Fair enough, John. I missed the distinction of spreading stories, etc. There is the factor of public forum vs public forum, though. If someone who has a public forum uses that to make a statement that you are honestly offended by, I don't see anything wrong with using a public forum to voice your disagreement. Should you be fully informed before doing so? Absolutely. But uninformed opinions are everywhere (including here), and I'm too cynical to expect otherwise.
Regarding the second point, I was being deliberately vague because I didn't want to dredge up a settled disagreement with another poster. I meant it more as an example of how people can honestly be offended and still come to a civil resolution.
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John Webster Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 August 2004 Posts: 155
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Posted: 07 July 2006 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 4
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Should you be fully informed before doing so? Absolutely. But uninformed opinions are everywhere (including here), and I'm too cynical to expect otherwise. |
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That really comes down to this, I think:
John Webster wrote:
They don't have to acknowledge this responsibiliy, and many don't, but those who do are the kinds of people I like to associate with. |
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john siuntres Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1
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Posted: 07 July 2006 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 5
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John,
Been meaning to ask you to do an interview on my net radio/podcast show called word balloon. I heard my name came up in this thread, and wanted to extend the invite.
I recently had Gail on, as well as creators like Walter Simonson, Steve Englehart Neal adams, Bendis, Denny O'Neil,.
I can go through DC with the request if you'd prefer, but I usually try to send an e-mail or PM directly to the person I'm trying to book, first. Hence, the public call out.
john@wordballoon.com
Edited by john siuntres on 07 July 2006 at 6:23pm
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JD Morrow Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 02 July 2006 Location: United States Posts: 78
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 2:10am | IP Logged | 6
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Welcome to the forums, john siuntres. I'd definitely tune in to a John Byrne podcast with you. Walt Simonson is my favorite comic creator ever, so I really enjoyed that one quite a bit!
I am curious about this, so anybody that can answer this, please do. How long has Byrne Bashing been going on? Has it been since the beginning of the computer/comic creator era, or is this just something that really took off in the last few years?
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Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10959
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 2:27am | IP Logged | 7
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(this is mike o'brien - I'm too tired and lazy to log off Tim's acct..)
According to Byrne himself, he started getting "your old stuff..." letters when he started Iron Fist... back in the mid-70s!
So... Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch was better? Hunh?
Everyone has different tastes, and someone maybe really did like the John Byrne of 1975 over the John Byrne of 1976, but I suspect there's a psychological insight to this story...
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Ian Evans Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 September 2004 Posts: 2433
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 4:12am | IP Logged | 8
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I remember the letter that I think JB means - it said something about having wondered at first, whne seeing JBs Marvel work, where the deft draftsman from Charlton had gone, but now being pleased that JB was showing the level of skill he (the writer) had expected...like many letters of the time it read like a 'boy look how much I know about comics' and it worked to an extent since,as a reader of eleven or so, I found it impressive - never having even seen a Charlton comic may have contributed to this.
As JB has said, it is I think a way of appearing knowledgable - to show what an expert you are - happens in any critically appraised art, people adopt the opinions of others as their own to hide their own lack of knowledge...as a younger man I was often guilty of this myself...it was one of the ways I got a degree in literature, after all
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 13048
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 4:35am | IP Logged | 9
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as long as there are many humans who find misinformation more charming than fact, error will flourish, no matter how readily available the facts are |
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Well, there it is. Answered your own question, JB. If you're going to insist on fact over misinformation, then clearly you are a menace!
Why, I bet a fact-monger like you even thinks a quote such as this from that "scandalous" film, INHERIT THE WIND, is something laudable:
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Yes there is something holy to me! The power of the individual human mind. In a child's power to master the multiplication table there is more sanctity than in all your shouted "Amens!," "Holy, Holies!" and "Hosannahs!" An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man's knowledge is more of a miracle than any sticks turned to snakes, or the parting of waters. Gentlemen, progress has never been a bargain. You've got to pay for it. Darwin moved us forward to a hilltop, where we could look back and see the way from which we came. But for this view, this insight, this knowledge, we must abandon our faith in the pleasant poetry of Genesis. |
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Chris Newton Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 June 2006 Posts: 16
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | 10
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I'm new to this board and to be honest I was drawn here after reading something about the Van Sciver sharpie comments. After reading a lot of posts and posting a few myself I have seen JB:
1) insult posters for stating their opinions (the work "dickweed" was used)
2) disparrage the work of other professionals by name
3) display little tolerance for differences of opinion, often telling others that they are wrong, implying that he is right and that's that.
4) present his opinions as facts
5) lock a thread because he disagreed with the opinions of posters who defend other creators whose work he dislikes.
I have been exposed to no evil internet conspiracy aimed at convincing me that JB's work is bad or sub par, or that he's a bad guy. I have merely read JB's own words and those words have given me the impression that he is not a likeable guy. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if I met JB in person I would be charmed. What I can say though is if JB wants to combat bad PR then: don't insult posters, don't insult other creators, tolerate differences of opinion, engage in civil debate with those you disagree with, realize that you may not always be right, and most of all don't censor others when you don't like what they have to say or where a thread is going.
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3094
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 11
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Or, people who don't agree with how John does/sees things can find other forums to read, to post in, other comics to read, etc...
I didn't mean to direct that specifically at the previous poster but it's a waste of time and energy to try and change anyone.
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Jeff Lommel Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 July 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1039
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Posted: 08 July 2006 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | 12
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Chris, as a newcomer myself here (though I lurked for ages), I don't think that JB has done anything that, say, pretty much any creator with a message board hasn't done. They are people, and are going to have opinions on other creators work in their same chosen field. For the most part, they (including John) take the high road, but sometimes somebody just rubs you the wrong way and you have to simply say it like it is. While it's true you're not likely to change his mind on a matter, try changing anyones on a message board! As to locking a thread, his board, his right. There are plenty of threads here about artists/projects that JB isn't a fan of, including the subsection where people color his work. I don't buy that he locks threads when he disagrees with opinions of posters, not for a second. If it's the thread I think you're referring to, that thing went on for 50 (100?) pages or so before he pulled the plug.
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