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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 1
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I remember seeing a Jaime Hernandez drawing of his Maggie Chascarillo character dressed as Robin...not sure where I saw it, though.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 10:20pm | IP Logged | 2
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My problem with Robin is that ,at least as I remember the Batman stories I've read in the past, he kept being used as a "damsel in distress". Not unusual, I know, to use the main supporting cast as the "victims under threat" in every episode, but it takes away from Robin as a hero.
Robin is an interesting counterpoint to Batman, and the twist introduced many years ago that Batman started out as a kid using a variation on the Robin costume gives it added weight. What I would have liked to see, however (and aren't you glad I'm not writing Batman) is a Robin (Dick Grayson) who is taken in by Bruce Wayne after his parents death and shipped off to a boarding school. There he would fight crime as Robin (a variation on his circus costume). Alfred would play a bigger part in Robin's life than Batman. And even if Batman and Robin ever teamed up, Batman wouldn't realize that Dick Grayson was really Robin. And Robin doesn't know that Bruce Wayne is really Batman.
Or is that too silly?
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Steve Lyons Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2171
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | 3
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I thought part of the point to Robin was to give Batman someone to explain things to. Seems to me I recall reading an interview somewhere where Bob Kane or Jerry Robinson explained they had to do something to keep Batman from talking to himself all the time. He's an exposition tool.
The arguement can be made that Alfred can serve much the same function, but with Robin they can get into the exposition on the fly, so to speak, and not have to return to the Cave to get into it.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 10:27pm | IP Logged | 4
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I think it would take the shine off the "World's Greatest Detective" if Batman couldn't figure out that Dick Grayson was Robin.
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Michael Hunt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 April 2007 Posts: 297
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 10:29pm | IP Logged | 5
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This is in my 10th Ann DKR hardcover -- sorry the scan isn't better - but I can't post a large enough picture for details of the sketch of Robiin behind the text. I circled the section where FM talks about JB.
Is that JB or FM artwork?
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Michael Connell Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2007 at 11:48pm | IP Logged | 6
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I remember a story from the 70's or early 80's where Superboy teamed up with a young Bruce Wayne who wore the Robin costume minus the 'R' to catch a crook in Metropolis, after the villain was captured a policeman comments about the costume reminding him of a "Robin red breast". I think a young Lois Lane was in the story as well.
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Pablo Lainez Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2007 at 3:51am | IP Logged | 7
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DC had the chance of doing a great Batman reboot with BATMAN: YEAR ONE by Miller and Mazzuchelli.
I wish they had gone that way, since they had one of the best stories from the eighties to start with.
Not that I would mind a JB reboot, obviously...
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2007 at 7:51am | IP Logged | 8
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i'd love to see JB do a BATMAN reboot. That's just what the character
needs right now!
JB, would you keep Gordon's relationship with Batman intact?
-C!
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Brandon Carter Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2007 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 9
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Also -- and I cringe as I write this -- a Batman created in the modern world would simply have to wear some kind of body armor. Not kevlar, mind you. This would be comicbook body armor, so would be thin as silk. But it would have to be there.
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Would the criminals and general public be aware that Batman was wearing some type of armor?
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Matthew Turnage Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2007 at 8:18am | IP Logged | 10
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"I always preferred Robin over Batman as a kid, but by the time I started reading comics, Robin was no longer a kid. When I played Robin, I played him as Burt Ward's age."
The same for me. When I played with one of my friends, they could always be Batman because I wanted to be Robin. The reckless "laughing young daredevil" version of Robin that Dick Grayson exemplified was always a fun character for me, and I still love stories with Dick Grayson exhibiting those aspects of his character. Batgirl Year One had a lot of those types of moments for Robin.
I also like Batman and Robin together because to me they were always the ultimate in teamwork. The Dynamic Duo indeed!
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Kurt Anderson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 June 2007 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 11
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I don't believe that there was widespread hatred of Robin in the 40's. I don't think that the Batman titles would've enjoyed the popularity that they did if one of the costars was the focus of the buying public's hatred.
The sidekick shtick has been the subject of ridicule over the years, but Robin and his knock-offs have launched multiple versions of the Teen Titans, which have served DC well over the years.
I think that younger comic book heroes serve a purpose. As a very young kid, the thought of being Robin or Jimmy Olsen was pretty cool. As I grew older, I moved up to thinking that being Batman or Superman would be the cool thing to do.
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Stanton L. Kushner Byrne Robotics Member
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I tend to prefer my Batman solo, but I'd dislike it if Robin was eliminated altogether. It may just be the nostalgia talking, but there's something that's just.. right.. about the Batman/ Robin combo. I kind of liked the setup in the late 70's/ early 80's, where Batman was mostly solo but Robin would guest-star 3-4 times a year.
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