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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 7:43am | IP Logged | 1
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Here is a 7 pages (... well the summary of the previous issue + 6 pages of story) preview for #2
But be warned there's a spoiler about the death of a long time main cast member.
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2898& disp=table
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 7:49am | IP Logged | 2
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Extended claws with nowhere for them to retract to.
Is thinking just not required at all any more?
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 7:58am | IP Logged | 3
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I was under this impression too, but at least they are claws and not small swords.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:00am | IP Logged | 4
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For people who want an idea of the art but not the spoiler, here is the first page:
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Jason Bitael Byrne Robotics Member
AKA Mike Keane
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 5
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************************************SPOILERS*************
If that is supposed to be the charred corpse of Wolverine, How is it that his organs are all burned out, But his hair and muttonchops are still there?
Edited by Jason Bitael on 19 June 2009 at 8:02am
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John Bodin Byrne Robotics Member
Purveyor of Rare Items
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3911
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:07am | IP Logged | 6
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John Byrne wrote:
Surley you appreciate the difference between a miniseries* and something that takes years to build up a head of steam?
*Not to mention a miniseries in which all the key characters have their own titles, and so no permanent or even lasting changes can be made! Tough to do "The Death of Phoenix" if Phoenix has to be returned safe and sound to her own title at the end of the mini! |
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Definitely, JB -- my comment was not intended as a criticism, and your reply builds on what I was trying to say: Just "dumping" any creative team on a title does not create "magic" -- usually the sum is greater than the parts, and the greatness usually comes from a build-up of character development, along with emerging storylines. Greatness doesn't just "happen" because you have the right people doing the drawing and writing chores -- you get "inherent goodness" from those kind of combinations, but I tend to believe that the truly GREAT stories that we all remember had more to do with simple quality adding up to something TRULY great.
To give you and Chris proper credit, I'm sure lots of planning went into The Phoenix Saga, but I would guess that it involved nowhere near the level of planning that went into something like Infiniite Crisis, for example. The fact that Infinite Crisis received more attention to detail during the "planning" stages did NOT guarantee that Infinite Crisis would emerge as something equal to The Phoenix Saga in terms of quality or "classic" potential.
In the case of what you an Chris did on X-Men, you didn't PLAN on doing one of the all-time great classic comic runs -- you were concentrating on doing your JOBS as well as possible, bringing all your best abiliities to the table to do a QUALITY job. In the midst of all that professional greatness, TRUE greatness literally "just happened." Bringing you guys back together -- either as a one-shot run or for any length of time -- is no guarantee that it would result in simlar magic. Sometimes magic just happens.
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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:10am | IP Logged | 7
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I like Tom Grummet's art in general. I have no interest, though, in watching Chris Claremont go back to what I consider the low-point of his X-Men stories, and trying it over again.
On a different note, how is this much different than the Hidden Years!? Going back and telling Chris Claremont's "hidden" stories, so to speak? With Hidden Years, however, there was a legitimate gap in publishing where those stories could be told.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:13am | IP Logged | 8
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Mark. Nothing of what was printed after X-Men 3 is in the Forever continuity.
It simply never happened and will never happen. The retcons, like "James Howlett" don't count either. The Forever Wolverine is Logan and his past still a mystery.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 19 June 2009 at 8:13am
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Andrew Goletz Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:14am | IP Logged | 9
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I was never a big X-Men fan though I like the idea of this series being a pickup where the creator left off and following a different timeline like an extended What if. I would love to see it continue with some other classic runs (JB on AWC would be a personal favorite).
While it may not be following the style/format of X-Men Forever Marvel does have a very intriguing (and long awaited) story coming out that I CAN'T WAIT for:
Spider-Man: The Clone Saga, a 6 issue mini written by Tom DeFalco and Howard Mackie. I'm happy both for seeing those two get to write Spider-Man again, and of course for more Ben Reilly goodness.
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Brad Danson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 10
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The concept interests me because I would LOVE to have an X-Men series start fresh from EXACTLY this point, which is where I stopped reading the titles. My problem is that I don't want the modern day Chris Claremont writing it. I don't even want the Chris Claremont from 1991 writing it.
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 11
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I find it ironic that even if XMF ends up not selling all that well, the book might actually end up making more money for Marvel in a year then Astonishing X-Men has made for Marvel in two years, due to the book being bi-weekly and actually shipping on time (not to mention the $3.99 price). Also, readers are more likely to get more story in one issue of XMF then 6 issues of either AXM or UXM.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 June 2009 at 8:25am | IP Logged | 12
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Brad: Give a look at the message boards. You'll see people say Forever #1 is the best thing Claremont wrote in this century.
And many of them were thinking what you seem to think.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 19 June 2009 at 8:27am
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