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Thomas Moudry
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Swamp Thing has long been one of my favorite characters, and I'm enjoying
the current sees by Scott Snyder and Yanick Paquette.
Just wondering, JB, if you've ever drawn a story with Swamp Thing in it? I'd
love to see your take on the character.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 February 2012 at 9:31am | IP Logged | 2
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Just wondering, JB, if you've ever drawn a story with Swamp Thing in it? I'd love to see your take on the character.•• This is kind of a "yes and no" answer. During my brief tenure on THE ATOM, there was a sequence involving a "flashback" (it was actually more complex than that) to the Swamp Thing's encounter with M'nag'alah (and I am not even going to PRETEND I spelled that right). Except, after the script was written, we were informed that Vertigo would not "let" us use Swamp Thing, even in a flashback, even tho we were using one of his established villains. So we had to "fake it". Not my first run in with Vertigo, when it came to Swamp Thing. When I was doing ACTION COMICS as a Superman team-up book, I got the urge to do a Swamp Thing story, but again was told I could not. However, the Vertigo editor informed me, Lex Luthor WAS making an appearance in SWAMP THING. So I immediately said "No" to that -- not being petty, but because I felt it as WAY too soon for Nu-Luthor to be appearing in other titles. I had not done nearly enough to establish his new character. The Vertigo response was essentially "Well, tough. We've already done it." I grumbled to the Higher Ups at DC and for the first time heard what I would come to recognize as a mantra: "Oh, we can't risk offending Alan!!" Offending ME, apparently, not such a problem!
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Lars Johansson
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A few questions please. How was it faked? I have all John Byrne's Atom, they were sadly not that many and not as far as I remember scripted by JB and now I can't find them that easily. Weren't Vertigo and DC the same?
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James Johnson
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| Posted: 26 February 2012 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 4
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JB,
It seems like you encountered as many editorial roadblocks in your first 6 months at DC than your entire first run at Marvel.
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Thomas Moudry
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| Posted: 26 February 2012 at 10:43am | IP Logged | 5
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"Oh, we can't risk offending Alan!!"
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Wow. Just...wow. That's amazing. DC made a huge deal over getting you to
relaunch Superman. Then, they didn't let you do a good bit of what you
wanted to do, and they allowed Vertigo to trump your claim to Lex Luthor.
Ridiculous.
"Weren't Vertigo and DC the same?"
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At first, they sort of were. Before Vertigo was officially Vertigo, there were
appearances by some DC heroes in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Neil
Gaiman's Sandman, and Grant Morrison's Animal Man; and Animal Man was
briefly a member of Justice League Europe. Later, however, there was more
of a wall between the DC and Vertigo that would occasionally allow DC folks
to appear in Vertigo titles, but not vice-versa. One of the big results of the
Brightest Day storyline was the return of Swamp Thing to the DCU, along
with John Constantine--who now exists in two versions, the DCU
incarnation and the Vertigo incarnation.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 26 February 2012 at 10:45am
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John Byrne
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How was it faked? I have all John Byrne's Atom, they were sadly not that many and not as far as I remember scripted by JB and now I can't find them that easily. •• LINK +++ Weren't Vertigo and DC the same? •• Don't cloud the issue with facts!
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Thomas Moudry
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Lars, here's a LINK to the trade paperback collection of The All New Atom that
contains JB's issues.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 26 February 2012 at 10:52am
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Lars Johansson
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That is beautiful art. Thanks JB. And thanks Thomas.
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Thomas Moudry
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You're welcome, Lars. After I posted that, I realized I'd misread your post,
not getting that you just couldn't find those issues among your own
collection.
I have The All New Atom in trade paperback, rather than monthly
singletons, and I enjoyed reading it in that format. While I didn't like what
DC did to Ray Palmer, I liked Ryan Choi well enough, and then they crapped
all over him in that Villains for Hire thing.
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Lars Johansson
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Yes. I have already what I believe is in that paperback. I lost interest in the comic when JB wasn't around.
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Joe Hollon
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There's this commission of course:
...and the Who's Who cover which for some reason I'm unable to upload here. Those are the only Byrne Swamp Thing images I can think of.
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Stephen Churay
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I grumbled to the Higher Ups at DC and for the first time heard what I
would come to recognize as a mantra: "Oh, we can't risk offending
Alan!!"
Offending ME, apparently, not such a problem!
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They should have just gone ahead and offended him. It's just my
impression, but I get the picture that dealing with him is like dealing
with a two year old having a tantrum. They were bound to offend him
at some point anyway and eventually did.
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