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Eric Kleefeld
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Magneto took over a military base and held everyone hostage.  He tried to use missiles to kill the X-Men.  This is not exactly regard for life.
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 Eric Kleefeld wrote:
Magneto took over a military base and held everyone hostage.  He tried to use missiles to kill the X-Men.  This is not exactly regard for life.

But it's not the blatant disregard for life he showed in Morrison's run either.  He never threatened to kill those at the military base and he was acting as any good villain to a superhero team in that he was willing to exercise his power against those who stood in his way.  Again, that's a far cry from the Magneto we saw during Morrison's tenure.

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The thing I've noticed with Morrison's handling of mainstream properties is that he takes the concepts to their logical extremes.  For years, the different Justice League incarnations had fought fairly pedestrian villains instead of big threats that only a team could handle, so he made extra-big menaces (alien invasions, angels gone bad, inter-dimensional crises, Solaris from One Million, and finally Mageddon, just to name a few).

In the case of Magneto, the guy hadn't been as dark and menacing as he'd originally been in a long time, so Morrison made him really dark and menacing. 
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The thing I've noticed about Morrison's handling of mainstream properties is that he retells other peoples stories and yet gets hailed as brilliantly original, and completely disregards previous characterizations which brings out the hoards of apologists who then gnash their teeth when someone later comes along to try and salvage things and put them back differently than Morrison changed them.

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Regarding how Lee and Kirby's Magneto felt about
taking human lives ...

In X-Men #4, Magneto was going to nuke an entire
country in order to kill the X-Men. Only the intervention
of a conscience-stricken Quicksilver prevented that
from happening.
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 Thanos Kollias wrote:

Morrison left the X-Men changed. The writers that followed had to
take care of returning the heros to some sort of order. That is
Morrison;s shortcoming. He should have taken care of that job
himself. Instead of that, in the final story arc he made matters even
worse....



Exactly! The only "toys" he left in good shape after he played with
them were the JLA. And if I was a betting man, I'd have to say that
was probably more DC's doing than Grant's.

WO
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And didn't Magneto once destroy a submarine, killing a couple hundred seamen?  I think there's a fair bit of proof out there that Magneto is a killer.  Which is fine with me...I prefer him as a villan, and not as some civil rights activist.

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Morrison's Magneto felt more like the destructive original one than the Magneto we've seen post-Claremont.  He took the evil and the malevolence of the original and turned it up to 11.
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 Wayne Osborne wrote:


Exactly! The only "toys" he left in good shape after he played with
them were the JLA. And if I was a betting man, I'd have to say that
was probably more DC's doing than Grant's.

WO


So no need to worry about SEVEN SOLDIERS then. 
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Hmmm . . the only time he leaves toys back in the box, so to speak, is when he's using the MAIN iconic characters ALL USED by other writers in their own books . . . and this translates to no need to worry about 7 Soliders . . . how?
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 Troy Nunis wrote:
Hmmm . . the only time he leaves toys back in the box, so to speak, is when he's using the MAIN iconic characters ALL USED by other writers in their own books . . . and this translates to no need to worry about 7 Soliders . . . how?


 Wayne Osborne wrote:

The only "toys" he left in good shape after he played with
them were the JLA. And if I was a betting man, I'd have to say that
was probably more DC's doing than Grant's.
WO


Last I heard, SEVEN SOLDIERS was being published by DC.



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So was Animal Man, So was Doom Patrol . . . your point?
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