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John Byrne
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I didn’t have much time with them, but I thought I’d done pretty well establishing they were all quirky and “different”. Apparently not. Mutants, mutants, mutants. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
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Brian Miller
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Sex, er, Mutants sell!
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The mutants thing was to service a gag about the GLA getting a cease and desist letter regarding the use of the Avengers trademark. They all realize, “Hey, I’m a mutant!” and declare themselves the Great Lakes X-Men. It was a very slight parody of the explosion of X-titles in previous years and part of a broader joke about them taking other teams’ names (prior to this they had declared themselves the Lightning Rods after the Thunderbolts until the latter was revealed to be comprised of supervillains It can (and should) easily be retconned away as the members lying about being mutants.
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John Byrne
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And yet……
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Apparently not. Mutants, mutants, mutants.
*** I loved these guys -- especially Mr. Immortal!! Did you have origin ideas for any of them that you'd be willing to share?
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John Byrne
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Mr Immortal was a 20th Century explorer who was cursed by the tribe to which Dinah Soar belonged. Doorman was a scientist who had an accident with a teleportation experiment. Flatman admired Reed Richards and was trying to replicate his powers. Big Bertha was a millionaire fashion model who was obsessed with staying slender. She hired a team of researchers to work on the problem, and the result was a classic Marvel style reversal of fortune.
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Those are awesome -- thanks so much for sharing! I can picture these stories set-up the way you did the Alpha origins at the end of those early issues!
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They all have a single power, like mutants oughta. So not completely out of the question I guess. Mutant is the go to for an easy origin, and DC long ago got on the bandwagon with “meta humans.” Interesting to me as I feel like coming up with the origin would be half the fun.
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John Byrne
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Mutant is the go to for an easy origin, and DC long ago got on the bandwagon with “meta humans.”•• Mutants would be metahumans, but not all metahumans are mutants. If anything, they are closer to "non-mutant variants", a term introduced by Roy Thomas in his days as X-MEN scripter--and almost at once forgotten. Spider-Man is a non-mutant variant (last time I looked), as are the Thing and the Hulk. During my time on FOURTH WORLD I established that the explosive destruction of the Old Gods had sent out a wave of energy, the Godwave, which on its first past had created the gods as we know them, and on it's second, "bounce back" pass had created the potential for metahumans. Also largely ignored.
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QUOTE:
| During my time on FOURTH WORLD I established that the explosive destruction of the Old Gods had sent out a wave of energy, the Godwave, which on its first past had created the gods as we know them, and on it's second, "bounce back" pass had created the potential for metahumans. Also largely ignored. |
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I liked that idea, JB. I (mistakenly, it seems) thought it was introduced in a mini-series you did with Ron Garney. I can't recall the title, but do remember wishing you had drawn those issues instead of Mr. Garney. (There were some sweet Walt Simonson covers though.)
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John Byrne
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It was during the GENESIS* crosssover that the Godwave was first mentioned, but, as noted, that was during my time on FOURTH WORLD.__________________________ * Less said about that, the better. The editor and I decided to "play fair" and not dictate to other writers and editors what they had to show in their titles, and when. Result, many left our any reference to GENESIS until the last minute, and then came in demanding their characters be the stars of the series.
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