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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 1
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After being pretty effectively killed off a few years earlier, Charles Xavier was brought back via a rather clever ploy, at least for the time, in UNCANNY X-MEN 65. In flashback we learned that the mutant badguy known as Changeling had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and had only six months to live. In that time he wanted to make up for past misdeeds, and approached Xavier for help. As it happened, Xavier needed to go into seclusion to work on a defense against an approaching alien threat. So he had Changeling use his (never previously mentioned) shape-shifting abilities to transform himself into a duplicate of Xavier. The Professor then “shared” his mental powers with Changeling, who went on to lead the X-Men until he was killed by the monstrous Grotesk. All of this was a retcon, of course. As originally presented it was the real Xavier who died. When the retcon was inserted, tho, there were some fans who began referring to Xavier having “faked his own death”. This even seeped into the comics in the form of Bobby Drake being bitter and angry over Xavier’s deception. Except that deception actually began and ended with the Changeling’s switcheroo. Altho Xavier knew Changeling was going to die within half a year, there was no way either could guess he would actually be killed. That was completely unexpected. Nevertheless the mantra persists. Xavier faked his own death. This was something I intended to address in HIDDEN YEARS, but my time in here was cut short. Somewhat annoyingly, this confusion is part of what lead to the growing need to render Xavier as a manipulative creep.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 2
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Re-reading this issue, and -- yup -- Professor Xavier says clearly he intended to be impersonated, not that he intended to fake his death. He needed this "deception" in order to remain "secluded" to give himself sufficient "time" to devise a "counter-attack" against the Z'nox. Xavier only revealed himself when he was ready for that.
As for Bobby Drake being angry at him: Jean Grey was clued in about the deception from the beginning, and she was ordered to keep quiet throughout so as not to interfere with Xavier's planet-saving task. Nobody was angry at her for it. Planet-saving, after all!
It's hard to believe an issue so stunningly crafted as #65 wasn't alone enough to save the title from cancellation.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 2:24pm | IP Logged | 3
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Too late, Michael. The bean counters would likely have dropped the axe sometime around receiving sales numbers for 62, but the next four were already in the drawer. Back in those days, publishers didn’t get the instant feedback seen today. It usually took about eleven issues, for instance, to cancel a new title.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | 4
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Even the earlier Neal Adams work didn't persuade anybody...? Shoot! Look at #62...! Come on!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | 5
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A lot of factors to consider. This was long before the DSM. Comics were sold through conventional venues, and depended entirely on potential readers spotting a title on the rack. Getting to that rack was running a major obstacle course. Look up the Statement of Ownership in comics from that vintage. Notice how many issues are listed as “undistributed”, ie never got beyond the first distribution point. In those days, because of so many hurdles (that intentionally low cover price meant comics were not worth much effort) a publisher might be required to print 600,000 to sell 300,000–and 50% was the cutoff point. Any title that dropped below that number would be canned, even if the distribution was as much at fault as the actual sales. There was also the lead time. Sales reports ran about nine month behind what was actually on sale. IRON FIST and POWER MAN were canceled and combined only to learn a few issues later the sales had ticked up on both titles. The low sales had been a temporary slump.
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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The sales figures came from the distributors, who were crooked. If Marvel had a book where they printed 600,000 copies, but the distributors said only 300,000 sold, Marvel tried printing only 500,000 copies. The distributor then claimed only 250,000 sold, so Marvel found they just couldn’t win. Meanwhile, distributors were selling unsold copies out the back door of their warehouse to unscrupulous buyers.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 14 August 2024 at 10:35pm | IP Logged | 7
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Whether the numbers are honest or not, the effect on the publisher’s bottom line is the same.
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Brian Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 12:21am | IP Logged | 8
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Another panel I just took for granted, but now I'm guessing it's actually another panel that Chris wrote the way he wanted to. I came in late - at X-Men 149 - so I reread this issue so many times. In fact, I just read it again. I know you've said there was a lot weren't happy with on that classic X-Men run, but you guys were absolutely awesome.
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Athanasios Kollias Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 9
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To be fair. Charles withheld the info he was alive from the X-Men (except Jean, iirc). The X-Men actually mourned for a person who was still alive. That was cruel.It doesn't mean Charles faked his death and I don't think he is a manipulator. He did keep the fact he was alive a secret, though, and the grief the X-Men felt was real. I think it's normal to expect some of them to think it was a situation that could/should have been avoided.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 10
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The Z’noxx story is, of course, an example of the X-Men operating WAY outside their wheelhouse. Alien invaders are much more in the purview of the Avengers and the FF. Have to wonder how it happened that they didn’t pick up on this threat themselves. (The real world answer is that the story was done at a time when all the titles worked as independent kingdoms, and even with a group like the Avengers the individual members could operate in their home books as if the team didn’t exist. It would be years later that a deep and damaging change crept thru the books, and the more anal-retentive fans demanded that all the parts be constantly touching.)
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | 11
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Mr. Claremont in Issue #138 had Scott Summers express "I thought it cruel." Of all the X-Men, wouldn't he have most understood Professor Xavier being forced to take the extreme means of this deception, even in the unexpected event of the impersonator's death, in order to save the entire earth? In Issue #65, it is Hank who appears the most shocked. Warren too. Doesn't mean the others wouldn't have been as well. But why would they have doubted the necessity of Xavier's means, because only coming to that conclusion -- and based on what? -- would Xavier have been "cruel."
Edited by Michael Penn on 15 August 2024 at 1:04pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 15 August 2024 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 12
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Chris was playing off the “faked his own death” meme that had worked its way into fandom and editorial.
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