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John Byrne
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LINKI found this most refreshing, considering the source.
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Doug Centers
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Yeah, what are they playing at here?
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Michael Penn
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I... am at a complete loss to grasp why this content is on... that site!
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Neil Lindholm
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When I was in the Army in Canada, the base Padre used to hang out with us and debate us students on any topic for hours. He told us that the only places left that students would debate absolutely anything were Military Academies and Religious schools. Universities were too scared to debate anything the slightest bit "controversial". This was over twenty years ago when he told us that.
Doesn't surprise me that a religious website would have a discussion about evolution vs creationism. I don't think every religious person is a believer of creationism.
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John Byrne
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Most of the responses would have gotten someone burned at the stake a few hundred years ago. So….progress?
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Michael Penn
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Clearly progress. America -- even enduring Great Awakenings before and after 1776-1790 -- is lucky that its Founders were immersed in the Age of Reason!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 01 October 2024 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | 7
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As many of you know, I am a fan of those old monster movies from the 1950s. THEM, THE DEADLY MANTIS, THE MONOLITH MONSTERS, TARANTULA. Gotta love ‘em. One of the things I find fascinating, though, in these films from more than half a century ago, is the casual manner in which their fictional scientists talk about Evolution. This was a done deal for them. They’re talking about something actual and factual. In school when these were first released, I recall no public protests. Most people, it seems, accepted Darwin. The infamous “Monkey Trial” belonged to an embarrassing past. When did it swing back the other way? And, perhaps more importantly, why?
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Michael Penn
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This is a good read on that question:
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How Americans Came to Distrust ScienceFor a century, critics of all political stripes have challenged the role of science in society. Repairing distrust today requires confronting those arguments head on.
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Doug Centers
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"When did it swing back the other way?"
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I'm with you there. When I was in High School it was a done deal. No dispute at all during biology class. I'm racking my brain but just can't place when it started to be challenged again.
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Peter Hicks
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When I was in high school in the 80s, the science teacher was starting the unit about biological evolution. While he said what would be taught was science based, there are those who believe in a supernatural process, and he was not intending any offence to those who thought that way.
But the pendulum has certainly swung further back in the US due to pressure from Evangelicals ever since Reagan. George W Bush was a Bible literalist, who believed the universe was only 6,000 years old. He wanted to discontinue funding for the Hubble telescope which was detecting light from stars and galaxies that originated 13.7 billion years ago.
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Jason Stephens
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I'm not sure you can say Mr Bush was a bible literalist. Here is an interview in Discover Magazine. Seems to me that he believes in God getting the ball rolling and Evolution since then. Me, I'm just 100% aethiest and the loss of respect for rational science is a huge worry.
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John Byrne
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Sometimes, when people learn I am an atheist, the response is “isn’t that kind of arrogant?”I respond “Check me on this: you believe there is an infinitely powerful being who created the Universe and everything in it, and who takes a personal interest in YOU — but I’m the one who’s arrogant?”
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