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Brian Miller
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Posted: 22 August 2025 at 10:29pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

…reprint of Giant Sized X-Men #1 came out, which also contained a new
short story drawn by Mr. Cockrum…

*****

X-MEN SPECIAL EDITION. The comic that really started it all for me. To this
day, I have no idea how I got it. I already had a stack of 10 or 15 comics of
just odd issues from here and there and somehow this one got added to my
pile. I’m still clueless as to how it ended up there, but that book instigated
my love for the X-Men and especially Kitty and Illyana. It was all downhill
from there.

A couple of years later, someone subscribed me to X-Men. Don’t know who
did that, either.
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Posted: 22 August 2025 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I'm sure you must have a suspect!
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Posted: 22 August 2025 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Politics have a lot to play in comics on a number of series as I found out years later.

When I was younger and more naïve, I just assumed the guys working on the comics had walked off. The first change you always notice is the art and then as I took the credits in more the writer, inker, etc.

Apart from JB leaving the FF, the real one that got me was X-Men Vs. Avengers where after 3 of the 4 issues, Roger Stern and Marc Silvestri were replaced by Tom DeFalco and Keith Pollard, and the story hard a hard turn left in terms of direction and plot. 

It was a "What the Hell?" moment, and it was only 13 years later I learned the reasons why.
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Posted: 23 August 2025 at 12:55am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'm sure you must have a suspect!

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I really don’t. The subscription, maybe, but that XMSE, literally no idea.
Can’t envision any instance where it would’ve been either of my parents. I
did have three older cousins that were all three into comics. They certainly
helped foster my love of the medium, but I saw them so rarely and never at
my house so I don’t know how or why it would’ve been any of them.
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Posted: 23 August 2025 at 12:57am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It was a "What the Hell?" moment, and it was only 13 years later I learned
the reasons why.

*****

I don’t know that I ever saw the reason why. I assumed it was around the
time Stern was fired from THE AVENGERS.
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Posted: 24 August 2025 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

JB leaving Marvel was a big punch to the gut.

I REALLY wanted to think the rumors were not true. But I began to see small evidence where it was true.

FF #293 artwork was definitely not up to the normal Byrne standards that I was seeing over the 4 plus years.

FF 294-295, JB was credited with the plot,  while Roger Stern and Jerry Ordway was the creative team.

But somewhere inside of me, I'm thinking that JB was holding back for the big 25th Anniversary issue, FF #296. The return of Ben Grimm. Monster Island, The Mole Man... He was going to give us a masterpiece on par with "Terror In A Tiny Town"

Then, we get the the POS comic that was a BIG letdown, in my opinion, to fans everywhere. Jim Shooter writing that crap and for some reason, I sensed that Shotter was trying exert his editorial muscle on that issue (I can write whatever, the fans will love it)  For me, that was the beginning of the end of "MY" Marvel.

The Marvel that had me buying comics consistently for over 10 years? 

It was gone. 

Yes, I was still buying the AVENGERS (Stern is still my favorite Earth's Mightiest Heroes scriber) and THOR (Uncle Walt) monthly, but I could tell it was over. The fun, the adventures, and the joy that JB had brought to Marvel was gone.

Also, those few months in 1986 (I think it was from April - June) that JB did not have any work published was heartbreaking. At one point, I did not believe that was going to be Byrne SUPERMAN. Then late(?) July of 1986, it arrived. MAN OF STEEL #1. Seeing this issue was a major relief. Seeing Giordano inks over JB pencils was something different. But if was exciting. JB was back....yeah at DC, but he was back doing a monthly book.

And...Marvel.....it was no longer Marvel.  Roger Stern had taken over writer duties (why did it seem like every JB left a book during the late 80s, Stern was there to follow up????) and John Buscema was doing the artwork. It was ok but it was NOT the FF I came to expect.

Also, during that time from 1986 to early 1989, there was a lot of nuking JB stories from other writers/editors that he had set in "stone" at Marvel.

Fast forward a few years, Shooter was fired from Marvel (I still believe that Shooter being pissed at JB for leaving kinda got the ball rolling for his demise as EiC) and a little later, JB returns to Marvel and he lands on a book that I never read (I saw the preview art for STARBRAND), the WEST COAST AVENGERS, & SHE-HULK (WTF!?!?!?!?) As much as I love his take on these titles. It wasn't the FF.

As selfish as it may sound, I always wanted JB to return to the FF. Both times he left Marvel and then returned. The FF has never-ever been the same. For the almost 40 years since he left. 

The FF's appearance in X-MEN:ELSEWHEN is the closest we fans have ever got to an accurate portrayal of Reed, Ben, Sue, & Johnny.

If only there was a FF:ELSEWHEN......




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Posted: 24 August 2025 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I'm thinking that JB was holding back…

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Not something I have ever done.

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Posted: 24 August 2025 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I should have been more clear with that term.....

More along the line of with FF 296 was going to be a "triple-sized" book and also working on the INCREDIBLE HULK, you may have needed time to get that FF issue completed.

So I was thinking that you may have only submitted the plot for FF #294-295.


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Posted: 25 August 2025 at 11:14am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Do yourself—and me—a favor: don’t try to imagine what’s going on behind the scenes. You will almost always (as here) be wrong.
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Posted: 25 August 2025 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

It was interesting after JB left Marvel and yet some of his work was still being published in the form of a few covers and the Marvel Fanfare #29. At the time, not understanding how these things worked I honestly thought JB was doing work for Marvel on the side. 
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