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Casey Sager
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| Posted: 04 January 2026 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | 1
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Dumb take Eric, sorry not sorry.
Edited by Casey Sager on 04 January 2026 at 10:37pm
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Rodrigo castellanos
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| Posted: 04 January 2026 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | 2
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Remember when Venezuelans were stealing zoo animals to eat in 2016-18?
Remember when those poor Afghan women couldn't vote?
Remember those poor oppressed Irakis under Saddam that was hoarding those weapons of mass destruction?
There's a "Fell For It Again" award waiting for you in your mailbox.
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Trevor Smith
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 12:40am | IP Logged | 3
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"Dumb take Eric..."
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Alas, I have to agree. No one is saying Maduro is a good
guy. At all. Evil is evil, wrong is wrong - doesn't
matter if it's directed at another evil. Fact of the
matter is this - it's just another stepping stone - if they
get away with it, what's next? Greenland, maybe. Claiming
the entirety of the great lakes, possibly. Who knows?
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 12:58am | IP Logged | 4
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If Trump cured cancer, the cure would not be covered by insurance and would cost $50,000,000 per treatment. And take multiple ones.
The problem isn't Trump having Maduro captured. The problem is how he did it. He didn't brief Congress and skirted the law.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 1:19am | IP Logged | 5
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Eric Jansen wrote:
| Remember when Biden put a $50 million reward for the arrest of Maduro? |
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No. Do you? The Trump administration put up a $50m reward for the arrest of Maduro last August. There has been an escalating tier of rewards, starting with Trump administration I, then hiked by Biden, and it finally went to $50m under Trump II.
Although the reward and the direct action against Maduro are both examples of meddling in another country's sovereignty, there is quite a gulf between the order of degrees of the two approaches.
Among the extermely troubling things about this incident are:
1. No notification of, consultation with, or authorization from Congress 2. Repeated comments from Trump that the US will be running Venezuela 3. Statements that US oil companies will be heading to Venezuela
And that really does not cover all of it at all.
Edited by Peter Martin on 05 January 2026 at 1:19am
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Wilson Mui
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I got a chuckle when I read this on a Substack I follow:
Qasim Rashid wrote:
The FIFA Peace Prize Winner has now bombed:
•Iran
•Iraq
•Nigeria
•Somalia
•Syria
•Venezuela
•Yemen
•Armed Netanyahu to bomb Palestine, Iran, Syria, Lebanon.
This is the “pro peace” President. Alas, I remember when
the FIFA Peace prize meant something.
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 3:36am | IP Logged | 7
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Oops! You're totally right--Biden "only" put a $25 million reward on Maduro! Otherwise, Trump did the same thing that other Presidents have done--remove an unelected dictator from power...to the cheers of the people who suffered under and/or fled his cruelty.
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 3:46am | IP Logged | 8
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Wilson, assuming saracasm with that last line, whoever posted that was dead on!
And now he's making veiled threats regarding Greenland (again!) and Cuba.....
Edited by Brian Floyd on 05 January 2026 at 3:49am
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 5:28am | IP Logged | 9
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Eric - process
This isn’t about so much he went in and captured the leader. It’s about he
did it in an illegal manner - no congressional backing.
Coupled with the follow up of ‘we will run the country’ and tripled with the
justification - we want our oil back.
If you can’t see the difference between what happened and a justifiable
process, then I see how America has got to where it has.
Question Eric - do you think taking Greenland by force would be justified?
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Eric Jansen
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Don't worry--I'm sure a District Court Judge will do an injunction preventing it. (Poor Trump! For an all-powerful dictator, he can't even fire Jerome Powell, close useless agencies, or get a low-rated talk show host canceled.)
Every legal expert I've heard has said that every rule of law was followed with Maduro's arrest. They don't want him to get off through any loophole. The Commander in Chief doesn't need Congress to approve every strike.
As for taking over Greenland by force, of course not. Another matter would be buying it--as we did Alaska, California, and the Louisiana Territory. Now, if Greenland gets taken over by a drug lord pretending against all evidence to be its President...
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Brian Floyd
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Yes, he does need Congress' approval for every strike.
What Trump did was a full on skirt around the law, which could potentially be used to justify every invasion of a foreign country.
Want to invade another country without Congress' backing? Just indict them on a criminal charge, no matter how bs it is.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 05 January 2026 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 12
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What was his legal justification please. Genuinely asking, because I’ve not
seen a legal justification for invading a country and removing its head of
state in this instance. Especially without congressional approval.
Yes there is a warrant out for his arrest, but that does not allow invasion.
Nor have I seen a legal justification for ‘we are running the country’, nor ‘we
will take the oil’.
Any legal justification that has been cited, I would like to know thanks.
This will make Ukraine and Taiwan much harder to support going forward.
Not to mention his smorgasbord of follow up countries he has his eyes on.
Greenland isn’t for sale by the way.
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