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Michael Roberts
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The Matrix was a rip off from so many people they ended up settling a
case for millions of dollars, if i'm not mistaken, with a woman which
claimed the whole concept was stolen. I believe they actually lost the case
in court for her. If anyone has a better recolection of this ordeal, please
go ahead.
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Nope. This is incorrect. The woman, Sophia Stewart, had prevailed against
a motion to dismiss the suit, which somehow got translated over the
internet and various media outlets as her winning. The case ended up
being dismissed, however, when she did not show up to a preliminary
hearing. To put things in perspective, she also claimed the concept for
the Terminator movies was stolen from her, so it's possible James
Cameron got her and Harlan Ellison confused.
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Neil Welch
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Love Moore's Marvelman! Brilliant work! Absolutely brilliant!
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Ted Downum
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I also enjoyed Moore's Miracleman/Marvelman work.
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Matt Hawes
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Matt Linton wrote:
Matt Hawes wrote:
Rene wrote:
| ...They begin to investigate the death and discover a Marvel-Man type character "killed" him (turns out to have faked his death)... | | |
Wouldn't a "Marvel-man type character" really be a "Captain Marvel-type" character?
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Actually, they're investigating the death of a "Constantine-like" character, not Marvel-Man. |
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Did either Rene or I write otherwise?
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John Byrne
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A first for the JBF! A use of "actually" that is correct,
but still manages to be wrong contextually!
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Gene Kendall
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Considering Jim Lee owned/created WildC.A.T.S and hired Alan Moore to write it, I'd assume he had no problem with what Moore did, so I don't think that qualifies as violating the core concept.
I wonder if Lee regrets it now. I don't remember Moore replacing the concept with anything else, what I've read of the rest of his run was Moore poking fun of 90s superhero comics. WildC.A.T.S. has been cancelled twice since Moore left, bouncing from concept from concept (Joe Casey even tried turning it into a corporate boardroom 'action' comic).
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Rene Ritchie
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Wouldn't a "Marvel-man type character" really be a "Captain Marvel-type" character?
Perhaps, but Captain Marvel didn't enjoy the Moore/Gaiman run of stories which altered him to the degree the character in Planetary laments. Otherwise, it could also just be a Superman or Doc [Savage] or even earlier "inspiration"
The woman, Sophia Stewart, had prevailed against
a motion to dismiss the suit
I believe she claimed her concept (Third Eye if memory serves) was taken for both Matrix and Terminator--that of machines taking control and humans struggling to regain freedom. Perhaps "Man Against Man's Creation (Machine)" could become a fourth archetype, or does "Man Against Man" already cover that?
[Edited to correct name]
Edited by Rene Ritchie on 09 June 2006 at 10:46am
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John Byrne
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Considering Jim Lee owned/created WildC.A.T.S and hired Alan Moore to write it, I'd assume he had no problem with what Moore did, so I don't think that qualifies as violating the core concept. *** I created and own the Next Men. If I hired Alan Moore (or anyone else) to write the series, and he turned them into aliens from Planet Foosbane, he might do so with my complete approval, but that would in no way mean it was not a violation of the core concept. You do understand what terms like "core concept" mean, don't you?
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David Miller
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In those circumstances, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a less
loaded word than "violation," then? Like "altered," "revamped" or
"changed?" I assume if you collaborated with Moore to turn the
Next Men into Gamelons or something, it'd still be pretty good, even if
different.
Edited by David Miller on 09 June 2006 at 10:13am
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Greg McPhee
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I have always had a dislike for Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke". So many Batman fans and to some extent writers have latched on to that as the Joker's definitive origin just purely (it seems to me) because it was written by Alan Moore.
The context of that origin story turned the Joker in to just another helpless victim.
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Patrick Drury
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Otherwise, it could also just be a Superman or Doc Sampson or even earlier "inspiration"
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I think you mean Doc Savage, not Doc Sampson.
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Rene Ritchie
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Whoops, thanks. Mad cow, no doubt...
(Going back to edit...)
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