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Michael Arndt
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 1  

So have I Brian. I talk to a lot of people about being a Byrne fan. I have not heard anyone ever diss him or bring up "bad" Byrne stories. Some people like the stuff he is currently working on while others don't. Just a matter of taste for the character(s) at hand. Many are happy to see someone like him in the industry. He is a professional. I lot of people say they don't see that anymore.

Edited by Michael Arndt on 30 June 2006 at 7:47pm
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Gene Best
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 7:47pm | IP Logged | 2  

JB's correct - people in general love to be offended.

Many people need a focal point for their discontent.  Otherwise, they'd have to accept responsibility for their choices and where those choices have brought them.  It's much easier to be discontent than to do the real work of creating a fulfilling life. 

For the powerless, and frightened (both self-imposed ways of being), striking out in anonymous condescension is the only way to feel powerful and brave.

Edited by Gene Best on 30 June 2006 at 7:48pm
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Jonathan Weiss
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 7:57pm | IP Logged | 3  

Mr. Byrne thank you for airing your reaction to this stupidity in such an
honest and open way. The more I see this kind of commentary from
people whether it's about Hollywood celebrities, comic book celebrities,
or any body in any kind of spotlight the more I think how hard it must
be to see people whom you don't know, who obviously don't know you -
and who you have never even met claim things about you as if their
opinion really matters. And there, I think, is the crux of the problem.
These things are not necessarily said by stupid people, but by people who
somehow feel slighted that they have not gotten the acclaim they deserve
so now with the internet as their weapon - a public forum they have so
desperately craved for their unrecognized genius that they spew
whatever garbage they can muster just so they can get even the tiniest
piece of whichever person they're trashing's spotlight. I'm sorry you have
to see these things written about yourself Mr. Byrne. And I'm just as sorry
for any other person who's privacy has been invaded or their reputation
besmirched. Is this the price of success? In this day and age I think it is.
And it's a sad state of affairs.

P.S. I've been a fan of yours since I was 12 years old (so that's been
roughly 24 years) which means that your talent has given me many years
of pleasure. I thank you not only for those years but for the many years
that I'm sure will come.

P.P.S. If I had the money I'd buy a Batman page from any one of the
Generations books you've done in a New York Minute.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | 4  

There's nothing people like more then raiseing their heros up on their pedastal nothing that is except knock them down.I've felt for along time that it's kind of a shame that people become well known. I've obsereved that fans of an author artist etc. think they have the right to know all about the person because they read their stuff or see their movie. As an artist yeah i want to be known it makes getting work easier. But it's a bad thing also. As fans I believe it's really none of our concern. What John Byrne looks like or what his personal views are. Unless it affects something he says publically. ( For an example, If Writer A says he is apoor black boy from the ghetto in order to sell books. But in reality he is a middle class white boy who has never seen the hood). As a Fan it's nice to have this forum to interact with John and my fellow board members. But i don't take it as a right that i can call John at home and try to be apart of his life uninvitied. 
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Jason Uresti
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | 5  

"I am convinced that in some sad, stupid way, all of the BYRNE detractors are, in their hearts of hearts, JEALOUS of JB and his position in the industry and, most importantly, of his TALENT."

Perhaps, although I'd say most do it just because it seems to be the thing to do on the comic message boards, trash Byrne. I'd wager that most of them have never read a Byrne comic, and that in "real life" they have no real strong opinion either way about John Byrne as a man or as a creator and artist of super heros. Of course, there are few individuals I've seen that seem to make it their job to report every little thing Byrne says and present it in as negative a light as possible. THats not a unique situation of course, not even in comics. Liefeld, Morrison, Jim Starlin, Jeph Loeb, all have their detractors who spread as much negativity as possible on message boards about their chosen target.

I also sincerly believe that some fans have been genuinely offended by some of his comments. THe line about blonde latino women looking like hookers, the poorly timed rant about Chris Reeves, some people do get their panties in a bunch over statements like that. I admit they seemed to be in bad form in my judgement, but I don't see how you can condemn a man and disregard the quality of his work over a few typed lines.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | 6  

 John Byrne wrote:

*"Anybody who wears a read sweater is an idiot"

"I have never worn a red sweater and I resent being
called an idiot!"

Typo, red sweater.

Back to the topic at hand, it's sad really, how truly dumb some people can

Edited by Jacob P Secrest on 30 June 2006 at 9:30pm
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Sean Hollenhors
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 10:24pm | IP Logged | 7  

Robert Fripp from King Crimson gets a lot of the same type o' horseshit
thrown his way. "Oh he won't sign this" or oh,"He looked at me
", blah blah boo hoo.
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 10:51pm | IP Logged | 8  

"most do it just because it seems to be the thing to do on the comic message boards"

Most of the the current fandom need people to tell them what to think, what to read, what to look forward to. I point to the sales successes of highly-hyped comics (Identity Crisis, House of M, Infinite Crisis, Civil War) as evidence of this.
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Ed Aycock
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Posted: 30 June 2006 at 10:59pm | IP Logged | 9  

It's not just comics fans.  It's books, it's movies, it's TV ... it's called PR. 
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Francesco Vanagolli
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Posted: 01 July 2006 at 2:03am | IP Logged | 10  

I'll never understand why people care the more for the person than for his work. Seriously, is he an artist/writer? So, talk about his works! Aw, well, I was forgetting that most of the Byrne bashers don't read his comics.

Last year I had an oral test about this at the University... And used JB as an example (this means that my favorite author had a role in my successful test; heh).

Edited by Francesco Vanagolli on 01 July 2006 at 2:07am
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Simon Matthew Park
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Posted: 01 July 2006 at 2:43am | IP Logged | 11  

It seems that the internet has allowed many people to unleash their 'inner vandal'. Some sad folk just cannot stop their brainless compulsion to try and wreck things...anonymously, of course. The Kevin Dunstocks of the world are attracted to the facelessness of the internet...sorry, they feel they can behave like idiots with total impunity.

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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 01 July 2006 at 3:06am | IP Logged | 12  

Here's a thought though...if someone offered you a pill and after taking it, all these fanatics would actually be on your side, would you take it?

It's one thing having idiots as detractors but to have them as plaudits (shudder).

It could be you have them on the right side of the fence as it goes;-)
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