As opposed to what? Iron Man or Daredevil? Both those books have been sucking horribly for decades and no one complains. I thought those books were for old men when I was 7 and I still think they are now.

Daredevil's a lawyer who can see in 360 degrees then he's a bum, then he has two secret identities so he kills one in a fake plane crash. Etc... There's been countless variants on Elektra: Echo, Typhoid Mary. Buzzsaw or whatever gets reformed from his life of crime every few issues in a tribute to Frank Miller. I never had any clue what was going on in that book and it only has one character.

Iron Man's got no action in it really, aside from terrorists or realistic treaths. Where's the cutting edge technology?

Is mediocrity really the sole domain of the X-Men?

A good Marvel title is the exception to the rule lately it seems.

In my opinion, there are only 2 right now.

FF since McDuffie took over, and Cap, despite the fact that it is currently missing its title character (for which it loses a few points)

One happened over sixty years ago and the other happened a little over six
years ago. Enough time has passed that for most people, not all, WWII can
be talked about with less emotion and more logic than 9/11.

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WW2? You mean the Holocaust don't you? That's the 60 year old
event to which Magneto has been specifically linked, retconning in his
"freedom fighter" role. Let's ask our Jewish members if the Holocaust was
long enough ago that it less emotionally contentious than 9/11. . .

What part of "for most people, not all" don't you understand?

I agree with your two, and I'd add Thor, Brubaker's Daredevil, and Avengers Initiative.  I can't enjoy either of the main Avengers books, Iron Man, most of the X-titles, definitely neither of the Wolverine titles, and much of the Spidey books.

"But I didn't. And as soon as I did, you started trying to brush them both
under the carpet, along with 9/11 and any other real world events that
correspond too closely to the actions of Magneto. Just too damaging to
your argument. "Sure! He's murdered and tortured hundreds, perhaps
thousands of people -- but that doesn't make him a villain!" "

And neither did I. My only request was not to talk using examples of 9/11 because in essence I would be put in the position of trying to defend 9/11. I thought we could continue the discussion without using 9/11 because it is too volatile, not becaue I'm overwhelmed by your logic. Hardly. You keep arguing examples without giving me logic. How in the world can a person of your education and experience not understand my point? You may not agree with my point but you can certainly understand it. And, JB, you don't own 9/11. It happened to all of us that day, not just to you. 

If I asked a group of people who was the best golfer of all time, I would get back several answers; Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Sam, Bobby, etc. Each person would back up their choice with stats, stories and explanations. Their is no correct answer for this question because it is a matter of opinion. I may choose to believe it's Tiger but I can certainly understand someone who explains why they think it's Bobby Jones and their explanation for this choice.

Magneto can be considered by some, namely mutants, to be a hero because Magneto, in the Claremont X-Men, has experienced one Holocaust, been witness to several more in his lifetime and seen the beginnings of another involving not his race but his species. It all depends on your point of view.

During the American Revolution, the Minute Men employed guerilla tactics and British soldiers and civilians were killed and sometimes even targeted. Not only were British killed but often times Loyalist or other colonists who were sympathetic to the British or just plain neutral. These colonists/future Americans were considered terrorists and criminals by the British and many other nations who were allied with Britain.

Today we call them heroes and our forefathers. But these same men, at the same time, were subjugating millions of Africans. By the threat and practice of torture, rape, physical brutality, emotional distress, etc., they enslaved generations of human beings under conditions that were far, far worse than anything that the British had done to the Colonists. If one of those slaves had killed Washington, Jefferson or Adams, American History would call that slave a villain.

But ask many African Americans their opinion of such a slave and their real opinion of many of the Forefathers and you may get a very different answer than the one you were taught in school.

And look, I said all of this without using 9/11 as an example.

Uh, this might be a comment that won't sit well, but why is there so much passionate back and forth over a comic book character?

"Uh, this might be a comment that won't sit well, but why is there so much passionate back and forth over a comic book character?"

Because it's not about the comic book character anymore. And despite the way it may come across in print, my tone in person regarding this discussion is one not of passion but more of discussing/joking over a beer with colleagues. It is the most glaring deficiency of the the internet that tone can be so easily misinterpreted. And I refuse to use lexicons.

I agree with your two, and I'd add Thor, Brubaker's Daredevil, and Avengers Initiative.  I can't enjoy either of the main Avengers books, Iron Man, most of the X-titles, definitely neither of the Wolverine titles, and much of the Spidey books.

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Amazing Spider-Girl is a great title. If you like old-school Spider-Man like I do, this is just the book for you. The 10th anniversary issue comes out today and I can't wait.