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Greg McPhee
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It as if he just believed the rules did not apply to him.
Surely that could not be the case.
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James, we have that arsehole Boris Johnson doing the same here.
I had a guy in my local pub the other night ranting that Johnson has been left a mess with everything thanks to Gordon Brown and Tony Blair did.
I mean - WTF??? Blair hasn't been anywhere near politics for 15 years, and Brown (a very underestimated and forgotten PM) not in power for 12.
It reached a point where this guy and myself (he's 68 and I'm 43) were heading towards fisticuffs. Jesus...
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Rebecca Jansen
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I think there are sorts of people who pretend to follow politics when really they are just fed something to repeat. This is why I like things generally to be very boring and dry (like the Caucus Race in Alice that dries everyone out). I rarely want vision or personality in someone representing the people and doing the job of running things! Competent is what matters, not if you like them. Are they firstly capable of doing the work, and second is how many strings or future personal gain type plans... not that there would be none of those two, more the kinds of favors owed and to who, and how grandiose or negative (involving government or lobbying one) the latter. I definitely believe there must be people barred from holding very high office; the U.S. bars people from some for not being a citizen from birth, why not criminal misconduct, attempted or successful?
Yes, a long way back unfortunately, if it can be done... a lot of detail work, possibly very dry and boring but essential. Not much time just now for the reparations or self-driving solar cars for all in my opinion, not that there is anything necessarily wrong about either or free tuition and expanded health care... it looks like there just aren't enough people minding and repairing the very basics lately (in England too)! It would take some kind of majority that can't be obstructed or sabotaged as well as the will to focus on the unglamorous.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 20 June 2022 at 6:59pm
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 20 June 2022 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | 3
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Greg, I was being cynical, & agree re your assessment of Johnson.
Frightening stat - since Thatcher came to power 43 years ago, the UK has
changed government in an election precisely - twice.
We have only changed leader by vote with Blair & Cameron. All the others
have been chosen by the party in power.
Doesn’t really feel like democracy to me.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 20 June 2022 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | 4
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Brian Miller wrote:
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I recall in 2018, 2019, and even 2020 seeing people on this forum stating with absolute certainty that Trump was going to be re-elected. Absolutely no way it was not going to happen. 2024 is a long ways away and these are bizarre and unpredictable times in American politics. I understand the appeal of cynicism and pessimism, but nothing is certain at this point. And I'm not necessarily trying to be optimistic... for all we know, we could end up with a Republican president who is worse than Trump.
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Greg McPhee
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| Posted: 20 June 2022 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 5
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We have only changed leader by vote with Blair & Cameron. All the others have been chosen by the party in power.
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James, that is the worrying thing about British politics. If the PM quits or is ousted, a GE should be the natural follow through.
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Matt Reed
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Jason Czeskleba wrote:
| I recall in 2018, 2019, and even 2020 seeing people on this forum stating with absolute certainty that Trump was going to be re-elected. Absolutely no way it was not going to happen. 2024 is a long ways away and these are bizarre and unpredictable times in American politics. I understand the appeal of cynicism and pessimism, but nothing is certain at this point. And I'm not necessarily trying to be optimistic... for all we know, we could end up with a Republican president who is worse than Trump. |
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Agreed. 2.5 years is a loooong way out. We haven't even gotten to the midterms yet and thus Biden hasn't been in office a full two years. Far from being optimistic, I do want to put the brakes on all the doom and gloom. A shit-ton can happen in three years. We've seen it in just the last three. Losing faith, becoming defeatist. That does more harm than good. It tends to enable what is falsely seen as inevitable. Like Jason said, we could end up with a president worse than Trump...one that is Trumpian but smarter (as if that's hard to do).
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James Woodcock
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I hear what you are saying Matt, but cannot see, with how the narrative is
going, how, if Trump is in place, they lose. I hope his health gives out in a
way that he cannot run.
I hope people see that Ukraine invasion was enabled by his term in office. I
hope they see all the other things you mentioned in the other thread.
But I also see how him not running could open the door for even worse -
unhinged racism, actual calls for a return to segregation (just through
different, economic means), unbridled attacks on those that are ‘not us’.
But, over the last few years, I’ve seen
Brexit - the actual build up & vote
Trump get in
A government in the UK that portrayed a crappy deal as being better than
the one they voted down
Outright lies be peddled, accepted & supported by people I used to think
had intelligence
Arrogance & denial - the Russian answer to wrong doing - become the
playbook of governments
In the UK a party that has governed for 75% of the last 40 years blame the
opposition for how things are - & get away with it. @ least the USA has flip
flopped between parties regularly.
Any optimism I used to have in politics has died. I’m now in a mode of
‘what’s the worst that can happen? Yep, that’s what we are gonna get’
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 21 June 2022 at 5:39am | IP Logged | 8
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James, that is the worrying thing about British politics. If the PM quits or is
ousted, a GE should be the natural follow through.
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Greg, I find it incredulous that when in power, the party says it is ok not to
have an election, but when in opposition, they scream for one.
I know it’s the job of the opposition to go against everything the one in
power suggests, but show some consistency.
It’s like the recent no confidence vote - apparently totally different to the
one May went through. Of course it is - this lot we’re the ones who got rid
of her.
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Charles Valderrama
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Just keeps getting worse for Trump.... the Jan 6 Committee has subpoenaed a documentary filmmaker who has footage of Trump and his inner circle at the White House discussing the election, election fraud, and election integrity.
The filmmaker, Alex Holder, has agreed to cooperate.
If there was a Kraken to be unleashed, seems it’s this. -C! |
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Rebecca Jansen
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yeah, but... I talked to a woman online who knew a guy that saw a video of a black lady moving uncounted ballots over to the place where they'd be counted, and he knew in his gut that this must be wrong, so...
^ this is how Trump gets in again... lots and lots of this from people newly in positions of power replacing the experienced and ethical gotten rid of. Roll purges, redistricting, provisional balloting, alternate electors, refusing to certify... multiple times what it has been in recent years backed in some key parts by a rigged SCOTUS that recently backed Ted Cruz in a decision affecting even looser regulation of campaign financing.
Theresa May was put in with an eye to making her a scapegoat as much as Cameron genuinely was. Hello hooray, what a fine day for the Eton rifles, Eton rifles. Hmm, didn't one of these twits actually use that Jam song in their campaign? Strange days.
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I will only believe there is actual bad news for Trump when I see a result of his being finally charged before it's too late. When someone can lose an election by roughly seven million and even be considered a candidate nevermind a front runner there is almost no solid ground left. It seems his brag years ago of shooting someone in a busy Manhattan street and nothing happening to him or his popularity has literally been the case so far.
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Kevin Brown
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I will only believe there is actual bad news for Trump when I see a result of his being finally charged before it's too late.
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Unfortunately, Merrick Garland considers it more important to be in Ukraine currently rather than his job here in the US. It just feels like he's he's doing his damnedest to ignore everything in hopes that he won't have to do anything.
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