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Jason Czeskleba
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 John Wickett wrote:
its another blow to his image for sure
Trump's supporters have a fixed image of him, and nothing is going to change it.  They simply dismiss or disbelieve anything that doesn't fit the image.  Their image of him is someone who is being unjustly persecuted by political enemies, and this verdict will simply reinforce that.

And people who don't support Trump already have a plethora of reasons for feeling that way.  This verdict is like another drop in the ocean.  So really, it's unlikely to have much of any effect on what people think of him.

That said, it's nice to see him in some small way be held accountable for something.  Though I'm betting he will find a way to avoid paying the judgment.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. 
There is a sizable generation of voters that have emerged since he was last elected and their view of him is not as predictable and cemented as it is for us fogies. It is likely to be harder to take what they have seem of him during that period and assess anything particularly positive. 
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From what I've read, last night CNN gave this clown a platform to lie.... creating quite a buzz. I just wish the RIGHT ppl questioned these politicians.... especially this guy!

They even hand-picked a 'Trump friendly' audience too. They laughed at his remarks towards a sexual abuse victim.

Pretty pathetic.

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I think the idea was to take viewers from Fox, as well as the obvious - let him talk and incriminate himself. The audience might have laughed but on the fence voters and the special counsel probably less so. 
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CNN was in between the same shitty rock and shitty hard place as the rest of us.  While I'd personally be happy if Trump were completely shunned by all mainstream media, I remain unconvinced by the arguments that a different approach would change a darn thing.  Over the last decade, there's no strategy that's worked against him:
  • Kiss his ass? Get used and discarded
  • Come at him with hard questions? Be deflected and named 'the enemy of the people'
  • Resist normalize him? He pushes the boundary for what's considered 'normal' every second
  • Try to let him bury himself? His enthusiastic followers eat up every word
  • Use legal methods? He feeds it into his narrative of 'unfair persecution'
  • Etc?  Etc.
I'd hoped he'd have burned out or dropped in popularity, but that core of 70 million Americans who loved him before have doubled down on that love, and nothing - not logic, not time, not evidence, not nothing - will ever dissuade them from their adoration.  All that's left is for us to hope America outlasts him.
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John Wickett
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Posted: 12 May 2023 at 1:08am | IP Logged | 6  

"...let him talk and incriminate himself. The audience might have laughed but on the fence voters and the special counsel probably less so."

I didn't see the town hall, but CNN's legal analyst said he didn't think Trump said anything that created or increased any legal jeopardy.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 12 May 2023 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 7  

Over the last decade, there's no strategy that's worked against him

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The media gets higher ratings and anchors get larger paychecks when Democracy is in trouble... that's no strategy... It's an absolute disgrace that this seditionist clown receives ANY time on media outlets two & a half years after he tried to overturn an election plus orchestrate a coup on live television.

We can't say, "no one is above the law".... and the lack of accountability only discourages people from staying involved in our election system.

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John Wickett
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Posted: 12 May 2023 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | 8  

"Trump's supporters have a fixed image of him, and nothing is going to change it.  They simply dismiss or disbelieve anything that doesn't fit the image."

I think there's a core group of supporters for whom that is true.  But I also think a lot of people voted for Trump because they thought he was the least bad of two bad choices.  Every scandal makes it more difficult for anyone to see him in that light.
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>> As late as June 1974, just two months before Nixon's resignation, 49% called Watergate "a very serious matter," 42% "just politics." << [Source]

Not just personal but party loyalty is extremely difficult to challenge, let alone change.

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John Wickett
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"Not just personal but party loyalty is extremely difficult to challenge, let alone change."

True, but that doesn't account for independents.

I remember when Kerry was running for President, and there were rumors he might tap John McCain to be his VP. In response, McCain made a public statement that he would not join the ticket because he was a "loyal Republican."  At the time, I thought that was a terrible thing to say.  Being a loyal American should always trump party fealty.
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Posted: 12 May 2023 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 11  

CNN was in between the same shitty rock and shitty hard place as the rest of us.

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For the last 8 months, CNN has been denying the narrative that the network has shifted to the right (or at least shifted to a sort of “both-sides” form of centrism, that they’ve been purging the network of Trump critics, or that they are trying to appease conservative WB Discovery board member John Malone. I think this town hall is just more fuel for that narrative. 
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… a sort of “both-sides” form of centrism…

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As opposed to what?

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