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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member

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This had me rolling on the floor when I read it. At first I thought it was a montage.
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/3099698.html?#c utid1

Edited by Matt Reed on 07 March 2007 at 11:45am
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David Parker Byrne Robotics Member

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A few years from now when people go back and read that, they're going to be like "What IS youtube or myspace?"
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member

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This has nothing to do with the comic book being discussed, but rather in response to David's post:
More than likely, in a number of years, TV will be more like YouTube. In fact, I believe that TV and computers will be combined. The concept behind YouTube is not a faddish idea, it is the future of entertainment and communication between people all over the world. Like eBay before it, and any invention of merit, YouTube fills a demand. It's more than just people posting clips of TV shows and posting music videos.
Back on topic about the comic:
I hate the way Captain America is being portrayed in that story.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 05 March 2007 at 8:26pm
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member

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Wait a minute: This is the real dialogue? I thought it was parody!
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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M**** sucks.
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George Peter Gatsis Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 March 2007 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 6
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actually... adding to Matt's OT...
DVD players are now beyond simple players...
they are computers that play DVD's... they are game systems that play DVD's
everything will converge to the computer being THE entertainment center... especially with IP-TV already out there and GROWING!!!
pretty soon, you won't need you-tube to publish...
in fact get yourself a domainsite with space and you publish and keep your own content current... it's that simple... I'm doing it... and I can as well as anyone else...
find a topic you know... get the webcam, free streaming software, get your domain site, get hi-speed internet connection and become your own TV station... when you're not live, just pump public domain features available at archive.org from your computer or VCR...
I kid you not.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member

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Amen, Brother Gatsis!
I agree, if you couldn't tell. ;-)
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Kurt Anderson Byrne Robotics Member

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In the future, porn will download us.
I prefer the old Marvel comics, where Cap fights other heroes for half a comic, laments over Bucky for a few pages, then bangs Zemo on the head with his shield. THAT'S CAP!
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Anthony Lloyd Byrne Robotics Member

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I wonder if an artist had submitted that page for a job at M***** 20 or 30 years ago, would they get hired?
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Steve Horton Byrne Robotics Member

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Jim Shooter would have said no.
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John Bodin Byrne Robotics Member
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While we were watching Heroes last night my wife asked me if anyone had determined whether the success of Heroes has led to increased comic book sales. I told her that a gun held to people's heads couldn't increase comic book sales.
She laughed.
I didn't.
This excerpt from Civil War: Frontline just serves to underscore my point -- this type of crap would hold no attraction to fans of Heroes who suddently found themselves interested in the concept of superheroes . . . and I can't see how it would be of any interest at all to new comic readers in general (ESPECIALLY kids).
:-/
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member

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Yes it's true dialogue. She has Cap completely speachless with her mad cognitive skills. There's more pages in the link. She goes on something like this:"*I* had to hide in a subway because *you* saved my hide you ****! Well! I didn't ask you too!"
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member

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Jesus. I can't believe that crap.
Hmmm.....I noticed when reading it off that Livejournal that the female
`reporter'....if you can call her that....is named Sally Floyd. Wonder
if I can sue M****l for a horrible mis-use of my last name, and offer
to settle if they kill off the character and have some heroes dance on her grave afterward, then fire Joe Q and Mark Millar and ban either from ever
working again?
Edited by Brian Floyd on 06 March 2007 at 7:51am
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George Peter Gatsis Byrne Robotics Member

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oh and I would like to add to Matt's and I OT...
with the rampent censorship that is TRYING to control what people do on the internet... eventually YouTube-ish sites will become extinct... or just become a very small minority...
why, cause people will wise up and publish themselves on their own area on the internet... ( see previous post by me and Matt above )
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George Peter Gatsis Byrne Robotics Member

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oh, and I realized I'm really not OT...
the usage of myspace and youtube in context in a comicbook story is not a far stretch to current events, pinning down the hip-and-now-ness of the story...
but what will happen when there is millions upon millions of TV channels ( ip-tv ) out there?
how can someone reference that within the context of the first panel?
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member

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The "reporter" seems to demonstrate a very real need for the State Department of Compassionate Indulgence of Not Very Important Dullards.
It's a terrible endictment of our society that no one has provided her with a chicken wrap, a diet soda, a TV running in the backround , and a caring professional in a white coat to nod and say "uh huh" every time she expresses herself.
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member

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Mmmm...another reminder why i don't buy many M***** anymore!
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Pablo Lainez Byrne Robotics Member

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Most...stupid...dialog....ever...written... ...in...the...english...language...
Seriously: The issue of Captain America being a man out of his time has been addressed before in comics, starting right after his 'comeback' in Avengers 4. It makes for a good Captain America story, IMHO. Obviously, the writer of that page has never read any of them. Or maybe he just doesn't get it at all.
[edit] to era se spac es in the mid dle of words...
Edited by Pablo Lainez on 06 March 2007 at 10:50am
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Noah Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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Huh ...
Guys, believe me, I am not a fan of most of Marvel's output these days, and in general I hate what has been done to characters like Captain America, but I think thisscene seems legit. A character mentioning to Cap that while he's supposed to be a hero for all Americans, he's not really in touch with the daily life of Americans? Sounds like something that Stan Lee or Roger Stern or Mark Gruenwald might write. It reminds me a great deal of "Hey, you saved a planet of green skins and you work for blue skins, but what about us black skins?" (as flawed as that logic is)
Yeah, the specific references will be dated quickly, but what does that matter? I assume this wasn't followed by a six-issue arc about Cap tracking badguys through Facebook. 10 years ago it would have been "When's the last time you did a search on Yahoo or videotaped an episode of Friends or bought a new Hootie and the Blowfish album?" In 1987 it would be "When did you last eat at a sushi bar or go to a video arcade or see a Sylvester Stallone movie?" 1977 -- "When did you do the Hustle at a disco or buy a pet rock or talk to friends on a CB?" 1967 -- "When did you last listen to the Beatles or watch The Beverly Hillbillies, or buy a hi-fi?" The specifics don't really matter.
Now, I do think it's legit that these are all very much middle class touchstones -- the people for whom these things are important don't need all that much championing. And maybe it's not important that Cap understand them. But having a character bring them up seems like part of a tradition.
Would I read a whole issue of this? No. Would I rather this were demanded of Cap by somebody in a more dynamic pose? Definitely. (Am I talking like Donald Rumsfeld? Apparently.) But a few panels like this would be okay in just about any era of Cap, post suspended animation.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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When was it ever established that Captain America is not culturally aware of his own country?
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Pablo Lainez Byrne Robotics Member

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...and that reporter is supposed to be Ben Urich, from the daily bugle, right?...
Now I want to read my Daredevil: Born Again TPB, well, again.
This ties up nicely with the topic, since Frank Miller was one of the first to show, I believe, 'realistic' violence and destruction on Marvel comics, which was controversial at the time. But it was the Kingpin doing it, not Captain America!!...
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Noah Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, Stern and Byrne had him with a big stack of Jazz and Big Band records in 1980 ...
On the other hand, I just picked up Essential Captain America Volume 3, and I was surprised that Stan Lee had him speaking pretty contemporary late-60s/early-70s slang and even dropping the occaisional pop culture reference.
Cap's response may well be "Hey, I just watched two 'Lazy Sunday' parodies on YouTube over lunch!" but I can still imagine a character asking him these questions. Y'know, it's like asking a politician if he or she knows the price of gasoline or a loaf of bread.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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You're not answering the question, Noah.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 06 March 2007 at 11:13am | IP Logged | 24
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The captain's response:

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Noah Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, Joe, you're asking me to support a point I didn't ever make. I never said Cap is out of touch with regular Americans. But it makes sense to me that regular people in the Marvel Universe might think he is.
But okay, let's pretend I did make that point ... Specific instances of Cap not being in touch with American culture? Well, the first thing that leaps to mind is him not knowing the UN Building in Avengers #4 ... though there's no way he could have known it, unless the Avengers had given him a really thorough briefing on the submarine ride back to New York. In that Essential volume I'm reading, there's a scene where Cap is amazed that the movie stars of his youth are only enjoyed as nostalgia now and modern kids think he, Captain America, is corny.
It seems like a fundamental schtick used by every good Cap writer since Lee and Kirby brought him back is that other characters think he's a dinosaur and he proves them wrong -- Hawkeye comes to mind.
I don't know what this above scene sets up. If the reporter is shown to be short sighted and wrong, that's definitely in the tradition. If she's shown to be a bit naive, but Cap decides to spend a little more time getting to know "regular Americans" ... maybe we're still in the tradition. If Cap is shaken to foundation by this and renounces superheroing to start reading blogs and watching reruns of Gray's Anatomy, then, yes, this is more masturbatory crap from Marvel. But taken by itself, out of context (as it was never meant to be taken), this seen seems more or less okay.
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