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Gerry Turnbull
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John Byrne
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This is, of course, the issue that was micromanaged by Shooter. Every line of art and script was fully and completely approved. Then I announced I was going to do Superman, and suddenly chunks of it had to be redrawn by Jackson Guice and rewritten by Claremont.Which is why I had my name taken off it. Shooter then insisted that I would receive no royalties on that issue, since my name not being on it meant that I did not contribute to the sales. I wonder if he thought that would bluff me into changing my stance?
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Gerry Turnbull
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i had wondered why your name wasnt on it
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Thanos Kollias
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Aha!!!!! Finally, I learn the truth about one of the things that bugged me in this issue. The credits annoyed me very much back then. I would have loved it to read John Byrne's and Terry Austin's names side by side again and got deprived of this little pleasure.
The other thing that bugged me was that some of the Phoenix scenes didn't look like Byrne. Of course, we all know, thanks to this board, that they weren't, so that's also answered.
Easily one of my most favorite issues of all time. I particularly love the fake Phoenix on the cover. Brilliant!
Edited by Thanos Kollias on 17 September 2007 at 6:46am
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John Byrne
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I mostly accepted Shooter's trompling all over this issue as my "punishment" for doing Superman -- tho I had written a letter to Marvel's then-head honcho, Mike Hobson, announcing my new plans, along with my hope to continue on the FF. Mike responded with a glowing letter of encouragement, saying he hoped the Superman project was a huge success, as anything that benefitted DC would ultimately benefit the industry as a whole. (This is called "classy".)Shooter, in the meantime, continued to snipe at the FF, so I ultimately left the book just to spare Mike Carlin the constant barrage of nitpicks. Then Shooter fired Carlin saying it was Mike's fault "Byrne left". The thing that bugged me the most, tho, was Claremont's rewriting. Of course, Shooter got Claremont to do it, as he knew that would be twisting the knife. But Chris completely lost the characterization on Jean, writing her not as she had been prior to X-MEN 100, but as she was portrayed in the Phoenix issues. Some day, like "The Untold Tale of the Phoenix", perhaps there will be a "special edition" of this issue restored to what I intended it to be.
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stuart knight
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I thought the art was different than before. When I read this I did ask myself, could Sue truly contain the power of Jean Grey/Phoenix?
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Michael Penn
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Redrawn and rewritten. As a "punishment" too. Horrible. Beyond so.
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John Byrne
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…could Sue truly contain the power of Jean
Grey/Phoenix?
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Probaby not. But that doesn't happen in this issue.
The actual Phoenix does not appear. Only Jean.
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Al Cook
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The last panel of the twelfth page ("I'm alive...I am Phoenix") that Gerry
posted doesn't look like your work -- any other art on these pages that's not
you?
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Andrew Hess
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All of this micromanagement, and yet you held on for another half dozen
issues.
You're a strong man, JB.
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Vinny Valenti
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I have to admit, that outside of the final panel with Dark Phoenix, I always thought it was JB's art in that sequence - up until I first read about the changes. Either Jackson Guice did a pretty decent Byrne, or Terry Austin managed to make it look more like JB's art.
I do notice that the lettering in that sequence is not the work of credited letterer John Workman.
A question - the other imaged recorded alongside Jean's in the crystal - what was that supposed to be?
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