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John Byrne
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Worth noting, I suppose, that a not-too-dissimilar cry was heard in fandom when GIANT-SIZED X-MEN 1 was published.+++ But wasn't GIANT-SIZED the first new material in more than 4 years? If fans had a problem with it, they had only themselves to blame. Or am I misunderstanding something (again)? •• Tho the X-Men had been banished to reprint limbo, they still had a small but fiercely loyal fan base. Had that not been the case (and had Len Wein and Dave Cockrum not been members of that fan base!) GSX-M 1, and the relaunch, would not likely have happened. But that fan base was fiercely loyal to the original X-Men, and when the new guys came along, they were largely views as interlopers and invaders. When X-MEN 94 revealed that we were not, indeed, going to be given "13 X-Men" every issue, there was much grumbling. It took a while for the new X-Men to be accepted.
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John Leach
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My biggest problem with the X-Men over the past umpteen years is the way Prof. Xavier has been turned into, basically, a villain. From Onslaught on, he's been a liar, a manipulator, someone who withholds the truth from his students. What happened to the noble character who was fighting for a dream? Kitty was right, Prof. X is a jerk.
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John Byrne
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Prof. Xavier has been turned into, basically, a villain. From Onslaught on,
he's been a liar, a manipulator, someone who withholds the truth from his
students.
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This is what you get from a generation raised on STAR WARS!!!
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Aaron Smith
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Yeah. What a disgusting destruction of noble characters. Both Prof. X and Cyclops have been treated like garbage for a long time now.
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Paulo Pereira
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| But that fan base was fiercely loyal to the original X-Men, and when the new guys came along, they were largely views as interlopers and invaders. When X-MEN 94 revealed that we were not, indeed, going to be given "13 X-Men" every issue, there was much grumbling. It took a while for the new X-Men to be accepted. |
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Interesting, though I think today, it's more than a case of just unfamiliar characters but also, as others have suggested, impenetrability, multiple titles, convolution as well as characters showing up in other books and staying there (Storm, Wolverine).
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John Byrne
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It says something -- and not something good -- about what has happened to both comics fandom and comics professionals, that Cyclops, who used to be Mr. X-Man and Mr. Cool, has fallen so far. Big ol' laugh when Wolverine calls him a "dick" in the X-Men movie.Cuz, of course, to be "cool" you can't be straight-laced, decent and honorable any more. You have to be the last one standing when the smoke clears.
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Greg Reeves
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Most of the X titles suffer from those kewl problems now, but I find "New X-Men" (the modern version of New Mutants and the rest of the school's teenage students) to be the worst. There is absolutely no difference among the characters except their powers. Not to mention you have second-rate versions of existing characters, such as the guy who looks like the Thing and the female Wolverine clone with 2 claws per hand (blech!).
Edit: forgot to mention that I loved just about everything Claremont wrote until about the time Jim Lee joined him as artist, or somewhere around the time Gambit was introduced. Everything from there seemed to be more kewl than the typical soap opera characterization.
Edited by Greg Reeves on 08 December 2007 at 10:27am
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Michael Penn
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Chris had wanted Nightcrawler to be revealed to be devoutly Jewish. ... Later, Kurt became devoutly Catholic.
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No worries! Make... Magneto Jewish! And a Holocaust survivor to boot! Ta-da!
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Paulo Pereira
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| such as the guy who looks like the Thing |
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What's the story there? And is that who this guy is?
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Michael Connell
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This is the guy they mean.
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Michael Huber
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I don't know any of them, is that Rachel to the left?
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Paulo Pereira
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Who is that, Michael? He doesn't look any different than how some might artists draw the Thing. And, rhetorically speaking, why do we need a Thing clone?
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 08 December 2007 at 12:34pm
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