Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum
Topic: Bhutto assassination (Topic Closed Topic Closed) Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Albert Matthews
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 09 August 2006
Posts: 2204
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 1  

I don't claim to be an expert on Asian politics, but from what I understand she was an outspoken opponent of terrorism and thus her death will not bode well for the U.S.

Plus, at the risk of sounding even more shallow than I actually am, she was the only modern female leader I can recall who happened to be, well...a babe!

*  *  *

RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday after addressing a large gathering of her supporters.

The suicide bomb attack also killed at least 22 others, doctors said. It was not immediately clear if Bhutto died from shots fired before the blast, or from wounds caused by bomb shrapnel.

Her body was removed from Rawalpindi General Hospital late Thursday night, about six hours after the assassination.

President Pervez Musharraf said the killers were the same extremists that Pakistan is fighting a war against, and announced three days of national mourning.

Video of the scene just moments before the explosion showed Bhutto stepping into a heavily guarded vehicle to leave the rally.

John Moore, a photographer for Getty Images, said he heard at least two gunshots before the bomb was detonated.

Police sources told CNN the bomber, who was riding a motorcycle, blew himself up near Bhutto's vehicle. 

Bhutto was rushed to Rawalpindi General Hospital -- less than two miles from the bombing scene -- where doctors pronounced her dead.

Chaos erupted at the hospital when former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif arrived to pay his respects to Bhutto less than three hours after her death.

Hundreds of Bhutto supporters crammed into the entrance shouted and cried, some clutching their heads in pain and shock. Sharif called it "the saddest day" in Pakistan's history. "Something unthinkable has happened," he said.

Sharif said his party will boycott Pakistan's January 8 parliamentary elections in the wake of the assassination.

Police warned citizens to stay home as they expected rioting to break out in city streets in reaction to the death.

Rioters burned tires and blocked roads in Karachi and other cities, police sources said. Police fired on an angry mob, killing two people, in the city of Khairpur in the Sindh province, Geo TV reported.

Bhutto's husband issued a statement from his home in Dubai saying, "All I can say is we're devastated, it's a total shock."

President Bush said those responsible "must be brought to justice" and praised Bhutto as a woman who had "fought the forces of terror." He said: "She refused to allow assassins to dictate the course of her country."

The number of wounded was not immediately known. However, video of the scene showed ambulances lined up to take many to hospitals.

The assassination happened in Rawalpindi's Liaquat Bagh Park, named for Pakistan's first prime minister -- Liaquat Ali Khan -- who was assassinated in the same location in 1951.

The attack came just hours after four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the Islamabad airport Thursday, Pakistan police said.

Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police said.

Bhutto, who led Pakistan from 1988 to 1990 and was the first female prime minister of any Islamic nation, was participating in the parliamentary election set for January 8, hoping for a third term.

A terror attack targeting her motorcade in Karachi killed 136 people on the day she returned to Pakistan after eight years of self-imposed exile.

CNN's Mohsin Naqvi, who was at the scene of both bombings, said Thursday's blast was not as powerful as that October attack.

Thursday's attacks come less than two weeks after Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf lifted an emergency declaration he said was necessary to secure his country from terrorists.

Bhutto had been critical of what she believed was a lack of effort by Musharraf's government to protect her.

Two weeks after the October assassination attempt, she wrote a commentary for CNN.com in which she questioned why Pakistan investigators refused international offers of help in finding the attackers.

"The sham investigation of the October 19 massacre and the attempt by the ruling party to politically capitalize on this catastrophe are discomforting, but do not suggest any direct involvement by General Pervez Musharraf," Bhutto wrote.

 

Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Next!

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 92726
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 2  

Looking for more on this, I came across video footage of the attempted assassination, also by bombs, in October. It never ceases to amaze me that violence in the real world looks so cheap. A flash, a bang, and suddenly 22 people are dead in what looks like a special effects shot from a movie desperately in need of a budget.

In the end, I suppose it is just this that makes assassination not only so terrible, but so easy. Terrorists don't look like terrorists. Soundtracks don't swell ominously. Life merely goes on as normal until -- it doesn't. Most of the time, the targets of the assassins don't even have time to realize what has happened.

This one is not likely to pass without some fairly major ramifications.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Scott McKeeve
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 11 November 2007
Posts: 835
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 3  

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......"

 

Back to Top profile | search
 
Bruce Buchanan
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 June 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 4798
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | 4  

"This one is not likely to pass without some fairly major ramifications."

***********

Any thoughts on what those ramifications might be?

I hope you are right - assassination and terrorism have been about as common a campaign tactic in Pakistan as the stump speech and political rally. For all the problems we may have with our own system of government, we should at least be thankful that succession is decided with the ballot, not the bullet, in this country.

Back to Top profile | search | www | email
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Next!

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 92726
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 5  

Mostly.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Chris Hutton
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 11663
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 6  

I wouldn't be surprised if Musharraf is somewhere deep behind this.
Back to Top profile | search | www | email
 
Brad Brickley
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 29 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 7882
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | 7  

Seems that there's a segment of that region (Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka) that wants to decide things through suicide-assassination. 
I'm always amazed by the process.  I just can't imagine wanting to blow myself up like that.  I guess I figure there must be another way, a way that wouldn't involve me killing myself. 
Of course, I'm one of the lucky few, living fat and happy here in the USA. I hope they can solve this without too many getting hurt or killed.  RIP.
Back to Top profile | search | www
 
Vinny Valenti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5449
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 8  

"I just can't imagine wanting to blow myself up like that."

I'm sure most people can't. I don't want to start trouble by saying this, but attacks like this would pretty much be nonexistant if it were not for the promise of a reward in the afterlife that most religions provide.
Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Next!

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 92726
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 9  

Most religions condemn both suicide and murder. What can we say about a faith that at least allows the interpretation that you go straight to Heaven if you kill yourself at take a whole lot of people with you?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Marc Foxx
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 4926
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | 10  

I heard about this on the radio this morning.  RIP Ms. Bhutto.

(and yeah, she was a babe)
Back to Top profile | search | www | email
 
Vinny Valenti
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5449
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 2:31pm | IP Logged | 11  

CNN has a link to an article she wrote just last month where she reflects on the previous assasination attempt that JB mentioned above. Very eerie.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/04/bhutto/index.htm l
Back to Top profile | search
 
Lars Johansson
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 04 June 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 6115
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | 12  

Very sad.

(Removed part.)



Edited by Lars Johansson on 27 December 2007 at 3:11pm
Back to Top profile | search | www | email
 
Scott McKeeve
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 11 November 2007
Posts: 835
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 13  

From famous politicians and leaders like Sadat, MLK, Ghandi and JFK to lesser known people like James Reeb, Theo van Gogh, Óscar Romero & Ita Ford, any agent of true change and reform faces the very real threat of a violent death in today's world. It's a brutal reality that is probably not going away any time soon. 

This is a sad, sad day but we can hope that some good will come of it. Sadat's peace accord with Israel still stands today, largely because of his legacy. Ghandi & King are both almost universaly revered today when in their own times they were hated and villified by a very large percentage of the population.

I don't think it would be unreasonable to hope that in twenty or thirty years Prime Minister Bhutto's name will have become synonymous with peaceful reform in Pakistan, much like Mohandas "Mahatma" Gandhi is in India today.

But it still sucks.

 



Edited by Scott McKeeve on 27 December 2007 at 3:18pm
Back to Top profile | search
 
Keith Elder
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 1975
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 14  

From Vinnie's link:  Although it remains difficult to know for certain, I doubt that a suicide bomber was involved in the attack on me. I suspect, after talking to some of the injured, that the terrorists used a small child as a ploy to get to me. They were trying to hoist the child -- dressed in the colors of my party's flag -- onto my truck.

Failing to do so, they dropped the child near my vehicle. Some witnesses said the child had been rigged as a human bomb. I can't be sure. What followed was a massive explosion, killing scores immediately, tearing many bodies in half and sending blood, gore and flames up into the vehicle.

Insanity, barbarism, and evil, all rolled up into one.
Back to Top profile | search | email
 
John Wyatt
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 25 December 2006
Posts: 125
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 3:35pm | IP Logged | 15  

The ones who advocating suicide bombing as martyrdom are twisting Islam in a way not unlike those who justify killing abortion doctors by twisting Chrisitanity.  The Koran is pretty clear that suicide is a sin. 

Bin Laden and his ilk think calling suicide bombing 'martydom' makes it not suicide, but it is.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Carmen Bernardo
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 08 August 2006
Location: United States
Posts: 3349
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 16  

Unfortunately, this is just like the Mafia in the Italian neighborhoods.  Too many good people are either afraid of being silenced in some spectacular and gruesome fashion (along with scores of innocent bystanders) or just don't want to be targeted by those who go along with the bloody-minded fanatacism being promoted as "true faith".  Sooner or later, like the German people during the war against Hitler's Nazis, they will be subjected to even greater horrors, whether it is the United States pulling the trigger or some other world power stepping in if it pulls out.

It's sad, really.  Bhutto was a modern thinker amongst the Pakistani people, basically exiled because she didn't support the status quo of the military leadership.  It was bound to happen sooner or later, this assassination.  What happens next is unknown at this point.

My prayers go out to those people.  Judging from the men and women that I've worked with in my time, there are some good people getting swept up in this new horror for our 21st Century.  Let's hope that something happens soon to prevent it from spreading worldwide again.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Keith Elder
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 1975
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 17  

Albert:  Plus, at the risk of sounding even more shallow than I actually am, she was the only modern female leader I can recall who happened to be, well...a babe!

By the way, let me direct you towards the prime minister of the Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko.
Back to Top profile | search | email
 
Brian Hunt
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 5123
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | 18  

Very depressing. 
Back to Top profile | search | email
 
Byron Berry
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 20 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 178
Posted: 27 December 2007 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 19  

This whole thing smells like three-day-old fish

We all saw that Musharraf was refusing to step down and he has conveniently placed the blame on those he already opposes and is trying to crush

Since he is " friendly" to the american govt. He will not have any fingers pointed at him by Bush or our western media. You have to look at other news coverage from unbiased countrys for any allegations of that.

The whole thing reads like a badly written TV movie, easy to see the plot.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Philippe Negrin
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 01 August 2007
Location: France
Posts: 1896
Posted: 28 December 2007 at 3:14am | IP Logged | 20  

I have a bad feeling about 2008...
Back to Top profile | search
 
Guests
Byrne Robotics Visitor


Joined: 01 October 2003
Posts: -17
Posted: 02 January 2008 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | 21  

Another modern female leader who speaks for democracy is Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma (Myanmar).  I am surprised she is still alive after all these years!

http://www.asiaamerica.org/

Back to Top profile | search
 
Chris Durnell
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 26 February 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 1162
Posted: 03 January 2008 at 12:11am | IP Logged | 22  

It's important to note, as terrible a tragedy as this is, that Bhutto and her family were extremely corrupt.  They helped ruin Pakistan, and it was her original regime that is partly responsible for the current mess Pakistan is in.  There is a lot of evidence concerning her government's complicity with the Taliban and giving North Korea nuclear technology.  I am not convinced another reign by her would have been better than Musharraf.  Of course, it would be better if this had not happened.

And if you are looking for a "babe" that is a modern female leader, google Yulia Tymoshenko of Ukraine.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Guests
Byrne Robotics Visitor


Joined: 01 October 2003
Posts: -17
Posted: 04 January 2008 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 23  

I wonder how long it takes her to prepare and style her hair?  That braid looks like something a gal in a Star Wars movie would wear!  And the links are incredibly symmetric and tight!
Back to Top profile | search
 
Bill Collins
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 26 May 2005
Location: England
Posts: 6963
Posted: 05 January 2008 at 3:46am | IP Logged | 24  

The sad thing is to Prime Minister claiming that she died from banging her head on the sunroof handle not the gunshots or bomb.In an face to face with a BBC reporter he bare face lied in the face of filmed evidence.
Back to Top profile | search | email
 
Guests
Byrne Robotics Visitor


Joined: 01 October 2003
Posts: -17
Posted: 05 January 2008 at 5:23am | IP Logged | 25  

Chris,

Saw this lady on 60 minutes a few years back.

http://www.queenrania.jo/

Back to Top profile | search
 

Sorry, you can NOT post a reply.
This topic is closed.

  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login